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The Fast Fix: Diabetes - ITV, 13th/14th June 2018

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I think there is some misunderstanding creeping into this thread. As one of a number of methods of getting diabetes under control there is nothing wrong with it, and it may even be argued that, subject to the right assessment of likely benefit, it might be used as a 'first line' treatment that might help many, many people, as long as they received the level of support required. Sadly, we know all too well that people are often given a diagnosis and then sent away with an unhelpful leaflet or two and a packet of metformin - there are neither the resources in the health service, nor even in many cases the slightest interest in providing this support.

Weight is a very significant factor in the development of diabetes is a lot of people, where they might be fine up to a certain 'tipping point', but then that little extra weight increases insulin resistance to a degree that levels become abnormal, the pancreas tries to respond by producing extra insulin which then causes more weight gain as excess glucose is laid down as fat, particularly around the major organs where its effect is most detrimental. This tipping point may vary vastly from person to person, so a person who is only slightly overweight may develop problems - for others it may require a much greater period and amount of weight gain. We're human beings, and we are incredibly complex in the way we work and are able to deal with things.

There's an important genetic element at play as well (except perhaps in 'temporary' manifestations, such as gestational or steroid-induced diabetes - I don't know the facts). If, as we are told, 60-70% of the UK population are overweight or obese, yet only around 9% of the population has diabetes, so just being overweight doesn't inevitably lead to Type 2 diabetes, you need some other factors to be at play. I think this genetic element is what comes into play where the 20% of people with Type 2 (a not-insignificant 800,000 people) who do not fit the the stereotype become affected. Many people develop diabetes simply because they are getting older and their pancreas/body does not work as efficiently.

Because most overweight or obese people don't get Type 2 diabetes, I think this is why the dire warnings often issued are ignored - 'it would never happen to me'.

My objection is not to this approach as a treatment but to the presentation of it as a panacea when no such thing exists. As @grovesy says, Type 2 diabetes is not one condition it is more like a spectrum - I've read enough 'case histories' here over the past 10 years to know this to be true. If we are really going to turn things around then it has to start with the medical support that people receive right at diagnosis, so people are fully aware of their options and receive intensive support in achieving their aims. That would require a huge upfront cost, but save the cost many times over in reducing medication, complications, and potential loss to the economy.
Thank you Northerner for this very balanced and well thought out response. I think it does have to be realised that "one size does not fit all" and I think some of us, me included, have become a little vociferous in our opinions.

When I saw my GP as I had gone from pre-diabetic to normal,back up again, he is wondering if I am becoming more insulin resistant with age (I am 65).
 
Ah. Did not know about that. Wonder if my friend Diane has that one. She has had pancreatitis on a few occasions and her blood sugars were up at about 16 recently. She has been put on insulin to get them down and been told it is Type II but I was wondering if it was late onset type I. Maybe it is this one. Will let docs sort that one out. I know she is back under the consultant who sorted out the pancreatitis previously.
Recently reported that the pancreatic type are often not correctly diagnosed.
 
In some cases it must be Bubbsie. I am hoping I am not one of them and, if so, I hope I can still stop it from happening.

Someone I used to work with has BP problems yet he is a rugby ref and runs marathons, very fit indeed. He has it in the family.
I did have high blood pressure Maz...I did take BP meds but I managed to stop those over 18 months ago.
 
'Maintainable Transformation' is not as exciting and headline grabbing as 'Fast Fix' but is the program I would prefer to watch.
When I was first diagnosed I was given some really good advice by the specialist team to get good control of my diabetes:
  1. Diet
  2. Exercise
  3. Education
  4. Support
There was no mention of quick fixes. Good control is a long road.
Absolutely Benny whether type 1 or type 2...whatever way we each choose to manage our diabetes it needs to be one that is sustainable long term.
 
Ive had a few people at work ask me if im going to give the 'fast fix' a try and my answer is no! I lost 7 stone BEFORE being diagnosed with type 2 diabetes. I have a long history of family diabetes on my fathers side, that is why my GP suspects that I am MODY (a genetic form of diabetes). I know that this is something that will affect me for the rest of my life now and its up to me to do what is right for me and something that I can maintain in the long run. I don't do low carb, as I struggle to stick to it. I am happy with what I eat and so are my GP and nurse. I am currently very low risk of complications and hoping that it stays that way for many, many years. I don't want a fast fix because it could also be a fast break too.
 
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Entirely agree grovesy. 8 weeks is one thing; you could not carry on like that for 8 years and is it going to continue in the long-term. Not sure if NHS accept this research but, if not, may be why i.e. it has not been tested in the long-term.

The NHS are researching this right now. I'm participant number 25 (so its very early days for the study) on an NHS study into a similar style diet and its impact on BG control in overweight T2s that I found out about via BEAT Diabetes. I'm only 2 weeks in, but the trial lasts for a year
 
'Maintainable Transformation' is not as exciting and headline grabbing as 'Fast Fix' but is the program I would prefer to watch.
When I was first diagnosed I was given some really good advice by the specialist team to get good control of my diabetes:
  1. Diet
  2. Exercise
  3. Education
  4. Support
There was no mention of quick fixes. Good control is a long road.
I entirely agree with you Benny. It is good you had a helpful specialist team. I don't see a diabetic nurse as I am pre-diabetic, got out of it, in it again. My friend was concerned when I lost a lot of weight through dietary change as I was not supposed to lose any as I was not overweight. She suggested I saw our diabetic nurses but you have to have GP referral so I haven't asked. I have learned a lot from here, mostly test, test, test, which I now do if I introduce new foods. I have to fund it myself but that is fine with me.

I have an iron deficiency at present so have been clutching at straws that that has falsely elevated the hba1c as I read some research and an article in the BMJ that this does happen (it is non anaemic). GPs don't think so though so it can't be bad enough to make a difference. As I say, clutching at straws really.
 
Ive had a few people at work ask me if im going to give the 'fast fix' a try and my answer is no! I lost 7 stone BEFORE being diagnosed with type 2 diabetes. I have a long history of family diabetes on my fathers side, that is why my GP suspects that I am MODY (a genetic form of diabetes). I know that this is something that will affect me for the rest of my life now and its up to me to do what is right for me and something that I can maintain in the long run. I don't do low carb, as I struggle to stick to it. I am happy with what I eat and so are my GP and nurse. I am currently very low risk of complications and hoping that it stays that way for many, many years. I don't want a fast fix because it could also be a fast break too.
This is exactly what concerns me about programmes like this. If you are not overweight it is no use to you and, even if you were, there is no guarantee it will work long-term.
 
I’m going to reserve judgement until I’ve watched the second part. So far it has annoyed me a bit. The participants clearly weren’t taking there diabetes seriously in the first place so if they had just adopted a healthier lifestyle would they have got the same results maybe over a longer time frame but more sustainable in the long term? While they were able to do this under lab conditions what would it be like in the real world? I work shifts 12hr days and nights and I wouldn’t be able to survive on 800 calories a day. What I really would have liked to have seen was some sort of debate programme after the show was aired.
 
The programme is presented as something new and experimental. The first one I can remember many years ago was the Cambridge diet. There was also something similar prescribed by doctors. Lighter Life is also a packs only diet of about 800 calories a day. Normally 800 calories a day of food would not produce sufficient vitamins and minerals but these packs have all the vitamins and minerals you would need for a day in their right proportions, so they are not deficient in nutrients, just energy. As in a low carb/keto diet, it puts the body into dietary ketosis and therefore when the body needs energy (fat) it has it's own store cupboard, always available. But this is definitely not new. A friend of mine's father, who had type 2 diabetes, was in a Japanese camp during the second world war, where he had only one small bowl of rice a day. This, in fact, kept him very well. It was only when he was released and came to the UK and started to eat 'normally' that the diabetes returned.
 
Hobie we all have to live with our respective conditions for the rest of our lives...can you imagine how it feels to be stigmatised continually.
Do you not think I have not been stigmatised ? That probably part of the trouble. When I was at school I ran as fast as any other kid. Because I did not want to be different ! 🙂
 
I’m going to reserve judgement until I’ve watched the second part. So far it has annoyed me a bit. The participants clearly weren’t taking there diabetes seriously in the first place so if they had just adopted a healthier lifestyle would they have got the same results maybe over a longer time frame but more sustainable in the long term? While they were able to do this under lab conditions what would it be like in the real world? I work shifts 12hr days and nights and I wouldn’t be able to survive on 800 calories a day. What I really would have liked to have seen was some sort of debate programme after the show was aired.

Very easy to survive.
The main point of a calorie deficient diet is to burn body fat instead.
If you simply continue to eat as you did previously, and change nothing, you'll be in exactly the same bad place.
As to healthier lifestyle, yes, indeed you need to be healthier.
However, that doesnt preclude the fact I've been working all day, and am typing this from a McDonalds.
Because I can now.
 
I watched and found the correlation between weight gain/loss and percentage of liver fat really interesting. I assumed it was a gradual increase with a steady rise between weight gain and percentage liver fat.

The one participant - Dan I think- lost about 9kg in weight and his liver fat decreased by about 20%. They said he was genetically disposed towards diabetes but what an insight into what just one individual is up against.
 
I watched and found the correlation between weight gain/loss and percentage of liver fat really interesting. I assumed it was a gradual increase with a steady rise between weight gain and percentage liver fat.

The one participant - Dan I think- lost about 9kg in weight and his liver fat decreased by about 20%. They said he was genetically disposed towards diabetes but what an insight into what just one individual is up against.

It would be interesting to see if there is a correlation between speed of weight loss, and loss of fat from the liver.
I certainly had better results will regard to BG with a rapid loss, than with a slow loss.
 
Interesting program glad it works for some but it’s not the only option. Very disappointed that they didn’t mention that this diet is dangerous if you have other illnesses along side your diabetes. I know for fact I can’t do this diet with my CHD it would put me at risk of another heart attack.
This was precisely my point, the approach they took clearly had good results but it’s not the only way to get them and it’s not the best way for everyone. One of the things I love about this forum is that no one says ‘this’ is the only way, you get advice on many different ways to approach things but the choice is always our own. No denying the positives in the programme but it was biased!
 
This was precisely my point, the approach they took clearly had good results but it’s not the only way to get them and it’s not the best way for everyone. One of the things I love about this forum is that no one says ‘this’ is the only way, you get advice on many different ways to approach things but the choice is always our own. No denying the positives in the programme but it was biased!

I thought it laid out the "bias" very well, and to be honest, if the "bias" includes the majority of type 2 diabetics, including me, who seemed to eat my way to type 2, as a purely singular, personal observation of what I did, how reverent is it?
 
Awesome results in the final episode, so encouraging for anyone newly diagnosed as type 2 or in the prediabetes range.
 
Hi Everyone, I watched both the programmes last night on 'Fast Fix Diabetes' lots of data and research carried out and yes they all lost weight and changed their numbers which is great and they had reveresed/cured their Diabetes!.....................and there the programme ends! i was shocked that there was conversation on how they were to maintain their great weight loss and keep the numbers down!!!!! in 2011 before i had type 2 Diabetes I wanted to lose some weight 2 stone to be exact so I went on the lighter life shakes diet and yes I lost 3 stone, i was elated but it was a hell of a journey to get there! slowly old habits crept back in and yes i put the weight back on, tried again and failed as i could not do 600 calories for the first 4 weeks so my bad lifestyle stayed with me.

I was diagnosed type 2 last July and have been working hard at a LCD (with no extra info or help from my GP, kept being told i would be referred to the Dietician....almost 1 year on and still nothing) so i took charge myself, got back into the gym and with LCD I have reduced my HB1ac from 78 to 49 I have been on Mettformin 500mg twice a day I can maintain my blood sugar levels around 5.2 mmol/L to 6mmol/L except for gym days and i see spikes after a gym session (spin class, resistance work, 4 to 5 times a week).

I worry that the programme (although advised do this without your doc's advice) will encourage folks to go out there and buy over the counter shakes and could possibly be only consuiming 600 calories a day which is not good at all. it would be great to see the same folks in 6 months time and to see how they are now and have they maintained their weight loss along with HB1Ac numbers being reduced etc.,

For me Low Carb Diet and Exercise is the way to go in reducing those numbers, I have learnt the hard way in this last year....cheating does not help thinking you can have a cheat day with the crisps/wine etc., its a lifestyle change and its hard to do, support from family and friends and sites like this all help to encourage. We are all different and out bodies all react differently what may work for one may not work for another.
 
Do you not think I have not been stigmatised ? That probably part of the trouble. When I was at school I ran as fast as any other kid. Because I did not want to be different ! 🙂
T2s are regularly vilified by the press...the media & the general public Hobie… it's different from being bullied at school...it's about being blamed .. .it's about being seen as the cause of our own conditions...we are seen as fair game...not offered the right treatment...left to fend for ourselves...that's why we have to rely on sensational programmes such as this to give T2 attention.
 
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