Supreme Court makes ruling on definition of Woman

[CliffH]

All pubs are not the same. Men and women drink in our local, it doesn’t do food, but it is the hub of the village, quite often there’s a message on our village forum 'if anyone would be interested in forming a group to do x,y,z, come to a meeting in the X at 8pm, and we can gauge interest, and people walk home afterwards. Son often takes his father out for a drink there when he’s back, and reconnects with all sorts of people he hasn’t seen for ages because he lives an hour away. I tend not to go very often, because I don’t like beer very much, the last time I was there was for a funeral wake for someone who was on a committee I used to serve on.

Well that's good to hear! I struggle nowadays with the smell of smoking, though, so I think that I'd struggle with pubs, as I guess that many of the people who still go to them are smokers.

 

[everydayupsanddowns]

Yes, you've reminded us again, Inka, that people who were born as a woman don't (with rare exceptions) commit physical violence - unless they're under the influence one way or another of an abusive man.

Yes it will certainly be men who are behind the vast majority (if not all) of the violence and attacks - both physical and verbal / emotional. I’ve spent long enough being ashamed of the actions of men to suggest otherwise.

Some will be predatory, others simply misogynist, homophobic, transphobic - or the delightful combination of all of the above.

Men have always been the problem. And will continue to be the problem.

And (depending on how the ruling is applied in practice), I imagine trans women will either have to risk it attempting to ‘pass’ in the women’s toilets, or chance their luck outing themselves in the men’s and dash into a cubicle before they get ridiculed or physically attacked.

 

[paultrose]

Well that's good to hear! I struggle nowadays with the smell of smoking, though, so I think that I'd struggle with pubs, as I guess that many of the people who still go to them are smokers.

Eh?....smoking in pubs was banned in 2007

 

[CliffH]

Eh?....smoking in pubs was banned in 2007

People who smell of smoke still often inhabit pubs though

 

[Leadinglights]

People who smell of smoke still often inhabit pubs though

And elsewhere, I don't think they realise just how much their clothes smell of smoke.

 

[Merluza]

Yes it will certainly be men who are behind the vast majority (if not all) of the violence and attacks - both physical and verbal / emotional. I’ve spent long enough being ashamed of the actions of men to suggest otherwise.

Some will be predatory, others simply misogynist, homophobic, transphobic - or the delightful combination of all of the above.

Men have always been the problem. And will continue to be the problem.

And (depending on how the ruling is applied in practice), I imagine trans women will either have to risk it attempting to ‘pass’ in the women’s toilets, or chance their luck outing themselves in the men’s and dash into a cubicle before they get ridiculed or physically attacked.

I don't know any men like this, I don't even know ones that smell of tobacco smoke. Maybe I need to get out more.

 

[Inka]

Yes it will certainly be men who are behind the vast majority (if not all) of the violence and attacks - both physical and verbal / emotional. I’ve spent long enough being ashamed of the actions of men to suggest otherwise.

Some will be predatory, others simply misogynist, homophobic, transphobic - or the delightful combination of all of the above.

Men have always been the problem. And will continue to be the problem.

And (depending on how the ruling is applied in practice), I imagine trans women will either have to risk it attempting to ‘pass’ in the women’s toilets, or chance their luck outing themselves in the men’s and dash into a cubicle before they get ridiculed or physically attacked.

Both my transwomen friends use male toilets @everydayupsanddowns They do it for the comfort of women. They are both lovely and neither violent nor predators, but they understand that women’s single sex spaces are for women - not just for safety, but for privacy and dignity.

Keir Starmer has finally spoken out on the judgement. He said that a woman is an adult female. The Equalities minister, Ms Phillipson told BBC Breakfast: “I do welcome the clarity that the Supreme Court judgment has brought in this area, making clear that biological sex is the basis on which single-sex spaces are provided.”

This is a common sense judgement, which is fair to both women and trans people. Sex is real, and it’s the reason why women are discriminated against. Women have fought for our rights decade after decade, and it’s sad we still have to fight. One’s biological sex is a fact. There is only one requirement to be a woman, as Starmer has said above. Women can do and think a multitude of different things, but we all share that one thing in common.

 

[louisew]

Thank you @louisew Lesbians shouldn’t be forced to date trans women nor shamed if they don’t want to. That’s homophobia. In addition, things like the Cotton Ceiling workshops were unbelievably unpleasant to hear about. I found the whole thing upsetting, and quite frightening because there was an element of compulsion and an ignoring of lesbians’ boundaries and right to consent or not. Just the idea of those workshops is vile IMO. To me, it’s similar to the whole Tate vibe.

And no one has the right to tell women who they are sexually attracted to. Who do these people think they are - telling women who they should have sex with. Women have fought so hard for equality.