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Struggling and confused

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I'm somewhat amazed, does the Nurse know anything about diabetes & nutrition.... Fruit juice is full of carbs, an acceptable dose may be a thimble full but people would be more likely to drink a glass (according to the bottle of orange juice in my refrigerator a serving of 1/2 pint is 28g carbs of which 22g is sugar) whereas shellfish is not a significant source of fat..... The cholesterol levels, though, appear to be 'significant' but as we should know, dietary cholesterol is not the culprit, our livers manufacturing cholesterol from excess carbs is!!!

http://www.seafoodhealthfacts.org/s...onals/fish-and-shellfish-nutrient-composition
 
Elle321 said:
Maz2, I'm glad I'm not the only one feeling that way. I knew the nurse was taking utter nonsense but when I challenged her about fruit juice which I knew was a no-no, her response was 'that's good sugar' and the shellfish 'it's full of bad fat' utter nonsense. I left there not knowing what to do. No advice, no explanations just 'see you in 3 months' I'm pretty sure she wasn't trained and handed me the wrong sheet. I'm struggling with lowering the carbs. As in I'm scared to eat them now. Testing my blood sugar for the first time today and finding it was 17.1 hasn't helped. In fact, I feel guilty eating even when I'm starving hungry. I'm following a low GI diet and hoping this, the metformin and increasing exercise start to help. This forum has been a lifesaver for me and I hope you're feeling better and getting your head around it. I'm finding it all pretty hard.
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You'll get there Elle 🙂 For now, just think of the numbers as information and record them. All this can take time, so don't lose heart - those changes you are making will already be starting to help, even if not immediately apparent in the numbers 🙂
 
I can eat potatoes! They dont spike me, sugar does obvs and processed foods, i can eat grained bread and bananas, greek yogurt and berries i am fine with, i make no count weight watchers casseroles and spag bol too, i have brown pasta and have no problems with these things. Everyone is different i believe!
 
Stitch147 said:
Just remember that everyone is different, what one person can eat will have a different effect on another person. Porridge is a good example of this, I can tolerate porridge and it helps bring my levels down in the morning, but it will send other people bg levels soaring.
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Porridge brings my levels down too! Odd isnt it
 
I am very jealous! Potatoes send me sky high:(. I have found out I can eat brown rice, which I'm happy about.🙂
 
Northerner said:
You'll get there Elle 🙂 For now, just think of the numbers as information and record them. All this can take time, so don't lose heart - those changes you are making will already be starting to help, even if not immediately apparent in the numbers 🙂
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Well just found out I definitely can't eat multi grain bread. My blood sugar went up 7 points 2 hours after eating it compared to before.
 
Elle321 said:
Well just found out I definitely can't eat multi grain bread. My blood sugar went up 7 points 2 hours after eating it compared to before.
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A lot of people find that they are more insulin-resistant in the mornings, so it can be best to try and avoid carbs for breakfast. As the day progresses and you become more active, your sensitivity improves and you may be better able to tolerate the bread later in the day 🙂 Many of us have found that Burgen Soya and Linseed is a good bread to try - it's lower in carbs than most other breads as some of the ordinary flour is replaced with soya flour 🙂 Also, many on here have recommended the high protein rolls from Lidl, if you have a store near you 🙂
 
Northerner said:
A lot of people find that they are more insulin-resistant in the mornings, so it can be best to try and avoid carbs for breakfast. As the day progresses and you become more active, your sensitivity improves and you may be better able to tolerate the bread later in the day 🙂 Many of us have found that Burgen Soya and Linseed is a good bread to try - it's lower in carbs than most other breads as some of the ordinary flour is replaced with soya flour 🙂 Also, many on here have recommended the high protein rolls from Lidl, if you have a store near you 🙂
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On my shopping list to try. Thank you
 
I like the Burgen soya too.

I agree with Martin Canty - although I am no expert on all this I do wonder if that nurse has had any training. I can't understand why they would tell someone with Type 2 or anyone else for that matter to drink fruit juice. I have spent months trying to persuade my hubby to stop drinking fruit juice at breakfast to no avail. He has no blood sugar problems as far as we are aware but why meet it halfway! It has fallen on deaf ears so far. I thought the nurses were there to advise people not to make things worse.

Thank goodness for this Forum. At least there is somewhere to get some sensible advice.
 
I knew she was talking nonsense. The diet sheet is headed 'low fat diet' I joined this forum at my lowest moment and it's been a lifesaver. I can't thank everyone enough
 
LOL. Just discovered that my links to two much more informative diabetes websites - dietdoctor(dot)com and diabetes(dot)co(dot)uk were deleted from an early post on this thread by a so-called moderator. Is this a euphemism for the Tesco PR department?
 
Typicaltwo said:
LOL. Just discovered that my links to two much more informative diabetes websites - dietdoctor(dot)com and diabetes(dot)co(dot)uk were deleted from an early post on this thread by a so-called moderator. Is this a euphemism for the Tesco PR department?
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You're entitled to your opinion, even if it is erroneous...🙄
 
Northerner said:
You're entitled to your opinion, even if it is erroneous...🙄
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Evidence-based nutrition guidelines for the prevention and management of diabetes, May 2011, from Diabetes UK Nutritional Guidelines

Recommendations
• Weight loss is the most important predictor of risk reduction for Type 2 diabetes. Weight loss of at least 5 to 7 per cent is effective for Type 2 diabetes prevention. (A)
• Lifestyle interventions that incorporate energy restriction, low fat diets and increased physical activity can effectively reduce the risk of Type 2 diabetes in high risk groups. (A)
• There is no evidence for the most effective dietary approach over another to achieve weight loss and prevent Type 2 diabetes. (D)
• Interventions promoting diet alone, increased physical activity alone or a combination of the two is equally effective in reducing risk. (A)
• Dietary patterns characterised by low intakes of saturated fat and higher intakes of unsaturated fat are protective. (B)
• Diets of low glycaemic index/load and higher in dietary fibre and wholegrains are protective. (B)
• Some specific foods (low fat dairy foods, green leafy vegetables, coffee and moderate intakes of alcohol) are associated with reduced risk of Type 2 diabetes. (B) • Other foods (red meats, processed meat products and fried potatoes) are associated with increased risk of Type 2 diabetes. (B)

These recommendations, I understand, are still the current viewpoint of Diabetes UK. Sadly there's is no mention of the link between carbohydrates and diabetes (although the many recent studies make the national press they don't make this website, as far as I can tell) There are also the amazing success stories being achieved in managing or even reversing type 2 diabetes through fasting diets, the Newcastle diet or the LCHF diets that predominate across the internet but not here.

It's great that this website offers moral support but it's a shame it provides little or none information about controlling type 2 diabetes that is burgeoning across the net.
I am not erroneous, just more widely read.
 
The last thing the newly diagnosed or struggling diabetic needs is more pressure, what they do need is support and ecouragement and the purpose of this forum, the reason it was created, is to 'support' it's members not lecture them. While your point about the link between carbs and diabetes is well taken, you should realise that your preferred way wouldn't work for everybody. So instead of pushing a specific methodology, we try to follow a reasoned and reasonable path to finding a working solution for each of our members without leaning on them or driving them in any one direction.
 
Typicaltwo said:
These recommendations, I understand, are still the current viewpoint of Diabetes UK. Sadly there's is no mention of the link between carbohydrates and diabetes (although the many recent studies make the national press they don't make this website, as far as I can tell) There are also the amazing success stories being achieved in managing or even reversing type 2 diabetes through fasting diets, the Newcastle diet or the LCHF diets that predominate across the internet but not here.

It's great that this website offers moral support but it's a shame it provides little or none information about controlling type 2 diabetes that is burgeoning across the net.
I am not erroneous, just more widely read.
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I'm obviously more widely read on this forum (and probably elsewhere), if you think that 🙄 Who says we actively promote only the DUK guidelines? I suggest you read the forum more carefully, if that is what you believe 🙄
 
Typicaltwo said:
It's great that this website offers moral support but it's a shame it provides little or none information about controlling type 2 diabetes that is burgeoning across the net.
I am not erroneous, just more widely
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Have you typed LCHF into the search box at the top of this page? If not, I suggest you try it, there are pages and pages of references to LCHF advice, going back a couple of years. I think this forum was at the forefront of providing information on low carbing.
As Alison said, people coming on here to find support and advice don't necessarily want one side of the argument ramming down their throat, particularly if it is at odds with what a lot of GPs and DSNs are still advising them to do. Better to bring them round to an alternative way of looking at the problem slowly and gently, methinks.
 
AlisonM said:
The last thing the newly diagnosed or struggling diabetic needs is more pressure, what they do need is support and ecouragement and the purpose of this forum, the reason it was created, is to 'support' it's members not lecture them. While your point about the link between carbs and diabetes is well taken, you should realise that your preferred way wouldn't work for everybody. So instead of pushing a specific methodology, we try to follow a reasoned and reasonable path to finding a working solution for each of our members without leaning on them or driving them in any one direction.
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The worst pressure is when all the advice and information you are given (and I'm speaking personally here) from all the conventional channels does nothing to alleviate your problems and the disease only grows worse. I was told D2 is a progressive disease, and it is if you treat the symptoms (high blood sugar) rather than the disease (Insulin Resistance [IR]). If I had carried on following my GP's advice and my diabetes nurse's advice I would be on insulin shots by now The dogma that is continually spouted by the NHS, dietitians, nutritionists is based on outmoded, outdated and predominately badly researched data. The best feeling in the world is when you find that by making adjustments to your diet you can bring you blood sugars to within the normal range and chuck you medication in the bin. Moral support is good but beating diabetes is better.
 
Robin said:
Have you typed LCHF into the search box at the top of this page? If not, I suggest you try it, there are pages and pages of references to LCHF advice, going back a couple of years. I think this forum was at the forefront of providing information on low carbing.
As Alison said, people coming on here to find support and advice don't necessarily want one side of the argument ramming down their throat, particularly if it is at odds with what a lot of GPs and DSNs are still advising them to do. Better to bring them round to an alternative way of looking at the problem slowly and gently, methinks.
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How would a distressed newbie know to search for LCHF diets if no one tells them? For the rest read my last post.
 
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