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Recommended Diet?

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Judith Brook

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Newly diagnosed and find a lot of conflicting information regarding diet. For instance, read somewhere that milk is a no-no. Diet sheet from elsewhere lists milk as one of the drinks you should have. DOH! Is there a GOOD comprehensive list somewhere? Also, out of curiosity, did three finger prick tests today and got three completely different readings. (all within a couple of minutes). Anyone know why? Doing quite well since diagnosis. Had terribly high blood glucose at the start and now down to 5.9 - 6.5. Lots of swimming and no cake!
 
Well the glucose in that exact drop of blood will be different if you squeeze a drop more out of the same hole a second later, let alone a minute and meters even if they are expensive all singing all dancing ones only have to be within 10% plus or minus, hence it would be miraculous if you ever did get the same reading. However it's still a better way of testing more accurately, than boiling pee up in a test tube ever was - yet those of us who had to do that are still very much alive and kicking.

It isn't ever a precise test method, but it acts as a good guide in every day use.
What exactly do you mean by 'diet' ?

The only thing our bodies have trouble handling are carbohydrates. That's all carbs whether in the form of granulated sugar or anything else. We don't have trouble processing either fat or protein. However we have no idea whether you are T1, 1.5, 2, one of the 3s, MODY, LADA, what meds you take for diabetes or anything other conditions, or whether you need to lose weight.

Best give us some more info so we can give you pertinent info, methinks!
 
Hi Judith - Sounds like you've quickly gotten a good handle on yr BG, bravo!

I'm also still trying to get my head around diet but I think fair to say that there isn't a template, unfortunately - everybody is different and it's a matter of testing before & after eating (and exercise) to build an understanding of how your individual bod reacts to different meals at different times combined with what kind of activity etc.

Not very helpful but it's where I'm up to. I'm sure others will be along with more detailed info but I would recommend viewing any specific advice as reflecting just that individual's experience which you would need to experiment with before deciding that it's right for you.

I suspect that doing the obvious things like avoiding cake, eating generally "healthy" food in moderation and keeping up the swimming will get you a long way.
 
Hi Judith,
As trophywench has said, it’s the carbs that cause us problems, not just the obvious sugars like cake but also bread, pasta, potatoes and rice are all high carb content and with push our bg up, I chose to give them up completely, the only bread I eat is Burgen, a soy and linseed low carb option. Fruit can also be an issue as it’s naturally high in sugar, although some people are ok with berries but sadly not me :( I can cope with a small apple a day but that’s it. Full fat Greek yoghurt with a splash of sugar free caramel syrup or a sugar free jelly are my ‘go to’ treats. What really helped me was keeping a food diary along with my testing before and two hours after eating, easier to spot the dodgy foods 🙄 most veg are ok, a good rule of thumb is if it grows above ground it’s probably ok but below ground it’s not 🙂
 
Thank you to both for replies. To Trophywench: Me: Type 2. Metformin x 2 and Empagliflozin. Have come along way since diagnosis 5 weeks ago. Was BG of 50 (yes five zero) when admitted to A & E, down to 5.3 the other day, although up a bit yesterday so doing something right, I guess. Carbs: According to hospital diet sheet, some form of carbs should take up 25% of the dinner plate. I have been reading all food labels and find them all a bit of a minefield. So many grams of whatever per portion/packet/slice. Naughty Kellogs don't use the traffic light system on packets of cereals - their readings are all "blue", not red, green etc., Anyway, onwards and upwards. Thanks again to both.
 
Carbs: According to hospital diet sheet, some form of carbs should take up 25% of the dinner plate.
Sadly this is very out-of-date advice - so it's not surprising you're finding conflicting advice about diet if you're comparing this with more up-to-date information. Carbs are the things which cause problems for diabetics: it's better to get your energy from the good fats (eg dairy, nuts) and proteins, and to cut down carbs as much as you can (sustainably - there's no point eating in a way you can't sustain in the long-term, so if you don't think you can cut out all carbs, go for low carb foods and for carbs which will last longer rather than fast-acting ones).

The traffic light system isn't a great way to check whether foods are diabetes-friendly, unfortunately - the only way to really be sure is to look at the back of the packet and see how many grams of carbs foods contain. Ignore the sugar amount, and everything else, it's the total carbs which matters. You might find carbs and cals helpful - they do books and apps which tell you the amounts of carbs in different meals.

There's no comprehensive list of good foods which is ideal for everyone, because the foods different diabetics can tolerate are different, but it's worth having a look at the food board here for some ideas. Generally speaking, good foods include all leafy veg, meat, fish, dairy, eggs, and nuts; foods which might be OK in moderation include other veg, berries, apples/pears, oats/porridge/oatcakes, brown bread/rice/pasta; foods to avoid include white bread/rice/pasta, pizza, fruit juice, dried fuits, exotic fruits, sugary cereals, and processed foods.

The only way to tell which of the foods which might be OK actually are OK for you is to test your blood sugar before eating them and then test again 2 hours afterwards, as it's different for everyone (eg some diabetics can eat porridge with no problems at all, others just can't eat it without a huge spike in blood sugar).

Well done for all you've done so far though, sounds as though you're making good progress 🙂
 
Milk is a tricky one for me. It's my favourite comfort food, in full-fat form, and I'm still deciding what to do about that.

To be concrete, last night between about 7pm and 10pm I drank ~500 mill. In the short term this seemed to raise BG from ~6.3 to ~7.7 before going to bed around 11.30pm. Not disastrous, but then I wake up with 6.5, maybe 0.5 - 1.0 higher than I think I would have without the milk. And the effect perists; by midday I'm still around 0.5 higher than where I think it would have been otherwise.

So not a big effect, but long-lasting. Also, I think it's absolutely essential to not fixate totally on BG - it's most likely I'll be knocked off in the end by some CV-related thing, given the increased risks from diabetes, and while avg BG levels contribute to the risks they're not the only factor. So the sat-fats from milk are not great. But my cholesterol is fine and do other nutritional benefits outweigh the fat thing? Etc etc etc.

At the moment my general approach is to try to cut down on portion size for some things I like & replace some things with other things, rather than cut things out, apart from obvious c**p. This seems to be working OK so far, overall. Half as much melon; more green veges; etc.

I'm in no position to advise, really, being a nutrition ignoramus, but the approach which resonates best with me comes from this: https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/full/10.1146/annurev-publhealth-032013-182351

... claims abound for the competitive merits of various diets relative to one another. Whereas such claims, particularly when attached to commercial interests, emphasize distinctions, the fundamentals of virtually all eating patterns associated with meaningful evidence of health benefit overlap substantially. There have been no rigorous, long-term studies comparing contenders for best diet laurels using methodology that precludes bias and confounding, and for many reasons such studies are unlikely. In the absence of such direct comparisons, claims for the established superiority of any one specific diet over others are exaggerated. The weight of evidence strongly supports a theme of healthful eating while allowing for variations on that theme. A diet of minimally processed foods close to nature, predominantly plants, is decisively associated with health promotion and disease prevention and is consistent with the salient components of seemingly distinct dietary approaches.

It's well worth a quick read of the full piece, IMO. The author is a big proponent of the "Mediterranean Diet", which is pretty close to the "official" dietary guidelines in the UK, US, Oz, Canada etc, I think, and therefore subject to many of the same criticisms from people who prefer a lower-carbohydrate approach as I think many here do. So ~50% of calories from carbs, rather than <30% or whatever for low-carb proponents.

Personally, I prefer the Med Diet approach, partly because it's easy & pretty close to what I prefer anyway, so I'm biased. But I think it's worthwhile to look at something like https://health.usnews.com/best-diet/best-diabetes-diets which I think is a good reflection of the "official" positions, to understand where they come from. Their message as I understand it: healthy eating isn't any different for diabetics than anybody else, fundamentally; just some tweaks around the types of carb you eat & in combination with what.
 
So the sat-fats from milk are not great.
Good news, milk is being rehabilitated.
http://www.todaysdietitian.com/news/exclusive0912.shtml
I can't find a direct link to the research that I read a while ago, which basically says that the long chain fatty acids in milk and dairy are a different length to those in red meats and other animal fat, don't cause a rise in Cholsterol levels, and may actually be protective.
 
Big thanks to everyone. The food diary idea is looking favourite for now, given that everyone seems to be saying it is different for each person. Re the mention of CV (I presume cardio vascular?) been there, done that. Major heart attack 2 years ago. Plus Thyroid (Graves disease). 10 different drugs per day. I think I will just get under the duvet and stay there FOREVER. LOL. I must say that since changing diet and exercise, I feel better than have done in years. Every cloud......X
 
Big thanks to everyone. The food diary idea is looking favourite for now, given that everyone seems to be saying it is different for each person. Re the mention of CV (I presume cardio vascular?) been there, done that. Major heart attack 2 years ago. Plus Thyroid (Graves disease). 10 different drugs per day. I think I will just get under the duvet and stay there FOREVER. LOL. I must say that since changing diet and exercise, I feel better than have done in years. Every cloud......X
Judith I also have to say that I feel better (and happier) than I have in many years, even my family have noticed the change in my mood, my daughter (the food police!!!) tells me quite bluntly that I’m not such a grumpy ####! My weight has dropping with little effort other than my walking, that started as a chore and is now my stress relief and relaxation.....now that’s something I would never have believed 😉 I don’t miss carbs at all, nor do I miss the convenience foods I told myself would save me time 😳 So whatever you do, don’t hide under that duvet, there is a great life to be lived :D
 
Good news, milk is being rehabilitated.
http://www.todaysdietitian.com/news/exclusive0912.shtml
I can't find a direct link to the research that I read a while ago, which basically says that the long chain fatty acids in milk and dairy are a different length to those in red meats and other animal fat, don't cause a rise in Cholsterol levels, and may actually be protective.
Aaaaaah...Yes, no, yes, no, eat this, don’t eat that, oh no sorry, don’t eat this, do eat that...I give up!🙄

Well done on the weight loss, Judith, and grabbing the diabetes bull by the horns! Keeping a food diary is a great idea - I do this ev now and then and it always helps. :D
 
Thanks again to all for info and support. I totally agree with the yes, no, yes, no. SO bewildering and difficult to get to grips with at first. However, one more "Brucie Bonus" is that having bought a new swimming cossie for my upcoming holiday, I can now comfortably get into my two old ones too. YAY. Roll on Greek Islands (and - of course- mediterranean diet and swimming).
 
Have fun! : jealous :
 
Don't be jealous - book up and GO. I and my friend each have a self catering apartment to ourselves. £25 per night. per person per apartment 20 feet from the beach!!. Flights too expensive till kiddywinks go back to school though.
 
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