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Quick question about bg

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daniel warren

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hi guys, iv only been diagnosed for just over a month and I’m starting to get the hang of things like adjusting my ratios and working out my insulin sensitivity and adjusting for it, i was told by my dsn that two hours after a meal you bg should be between 4-8 which 90% of the time I am been a few lows and highs but my question is if your sugars go higher than 8 within the first hour but are back with that 4-8 range after 2 hours will it have any affect in the long term
 
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Obviously the lower & slower the spikes the better so, despite being on insulin & able to bolus for the food, it makes sense to match what you are eating to try & reduce these spikes... It's a learning process so & wouldn't worry about it, just be aware....
 
It's fairly inevitable as a Type 1 that this will happen after eating an awful lot of foods. It's impossible to prevent really ! If we eat slower acting carbohydrate - then the meal jab will get there quicker than the food - so we'll go hypo and that would be such a fine balancing act every meal every day of our lives that we cannot be expected to do it - and so - we don't! is the answer.

Obviously - mention it to your nurse or whoever you see next - if you don't ask them questions like this and rely only on our answers - it could make you look as if you never give stuff like this a thought, which is far from the truth !


 
I thought the 8 target was for type 2. Depending on where my levels were before I ate, I don’t worry too much about anything less than 10.
 
hi guys, iv only been diagnosed for just over a month and I’m starting to get the hang of things like adjusting my ratios and working out my insulin sensitivity and adjusting for it, i was told by my dsn that two hours after a meal you bg should be between 4-8 which 90% of the time I am been a few lows and highs but my question is if your sugars go higher than 8 within the first hour but are back with that 4-8 range after 2 hours will it have any affect in the long term
Hi Daniel, if your blood sugar is going into double figures an hour after eating (presuming you were in range prior to eating) then it's probably a case of the timing of your insulin dose needing adjustment - inject earlier before eating and the insulin will be getting to work as the food starts digesting. This is pretty much a trial and error thing and you will inevitable get it wrong sometimes even when you think you've got it all worked out. I used to inject immediately prior to eating when I was first diagnosed, because that's what I'd seen the nurses do for me in hospital, and also what I was told to do. However, this is really for the sake of simplicity, so you don't forget in the early stages. Before long I started injected before eating, 5 minutes longer each time, and then testing to see the effect. I found that spikes of 12+ and hour after eating were coming down to 10s then 8s. The thing to be careful of though is not to try and inject TOO early, because then you have the opposite problem of your insulin being too active before your food gets the chance to raise your levels, and you drop low. As a rule of thumb, injecting 15 minutes before eating is suggested as a guide, but you do need to build up to this as it may be too early for you as an individual.

There are, unfortunately, many other factors that can also come into consideration:
1. Time of day - in the mornings you are likely to be more insulin-resistant so may need to inject earlier than later in the day. For example, for me I can inject 45 minutes before eating breakfast, around 30 minutes before lunch and 5 minutes before in the evenings!

2. Injection site - for me, injecting in my abdomen will mean the insulin absorbs faster, so I need to reduce the time before eating. Injecting in my posterior is the slowest.

3. Activity levels - activity prior to injecting, e.g. a run in the morning prior to lunch, will mean the insulin dose may need reducing as well as the timing.

4. What you intend to eat! - the type of carbs and composition of your meal will influence your timing decisions as well. Very slow-release carbs might need you to inject closer to when you eat. It's worth having a read of The GL Diet for Dummies which gives you an idea of the overall GI of your meals.

You'll get a feel for all these, but it does take patience! It may seem very complicated to begin with, but things do improve. The main thing is not to be too concerned about being a couple of mmol/l above target after eating. This won't have any real impact, it's the sustained high levels that are more likely to cause problems e.g. 12+ before meals and 17+ after. The extreme spikes up and down should be avoided too - occasionally these are inevitable, but the aim is to try and 'smooth' these out in time so you find yourself in a tighter 'bandwidth'. A bit like walking a tightrope, at first you keep falling off, but eventually you get the hang of it if you stick with it! 🙂
 
Like Northerner I try to remember to inject sometime before I eat to allow the insulin to get working. How far ahead of the meal depends on
- my BG at the time ( if I am a bit too low I will delay the insulin until nearer the meal time)
- what I have been up to (if I have been very active I will deliver the insulin a bit nearer the meal.
- the type of food I am eating (if it slow release carbs like beans and pulses I will delay the insulin delivery)

I also realised that the less carbs I ate the lower the spike I get. I was eating quite a lot of carbs at a meal. Ut now aim for about 30g per meal (others go lower than this). This reduced my spikes and along with timing the insulin before the meal I changed spikes to blips.

This may seem a lot to think about, but I know I started to ask questions like you are and people just said don’t worry about it. That just didn’t suit my approach, so I was glad of the advice available on here.
 
However!!!!! When eating out NEVER inject before that plate of food s on the table in front of you in case there is a delay in the kitchen or the portion of something is bigger or smaller than you anticipated when you placed the order.

Pub menu portions may well be stated as exact measures of things in their recipes - but in busy kitchens required to produce hundreds of meals a day then they are going to vary - eg 3oz of cooked prawns in a prawn cocktail - do you seriously think they weigh every darned prawn? LOL One GD is slightly on the autistic scale and perfectly capable of weighing stuff and recognising the difference between ounces and grams - however much simpler for all concerned if you show her what 3 oz looks like in the serving dish for prawn cocktails after you've assembled the lettuce at the bottom and in practice - ALL chefs do this with ALL dishes they produce - it's one of those, one of those spoons of that, a glug of this and about a handful of the other, with a twist of lemon and a sprinkling of whatever across the top to serve.
 
Good point Jenny. I forgot to mention the importance of waiting until the plate is in front of you when eating out.
 
thank you guys for all the advice, i will start experimenting with timing because i was also told to inject prior to a meal, and also if needs be during or after it if your unsure of how much your going to eat so i could recalculate my injection based on how much id actually eaten, i rarely find myself not eating the amount id calculated for so thats no really an issue probs just more the timing.

my other concern im having at the moment is iv worked out my insulin to carb ratio using the 500 rule which i know isnt right for everyone but my dsn put me on 1:20g of carbs, my sensitivity to 1:4 and reduced my basal insulin to 8u per day because i was having alot of hypos and she suggest running a little higher (not anything below 5) for a while to avoid having lots of hypos which was fine for a few days but then i still found i was going low.

so i adjusted myself to 1:25g and my sensitivity to 1:4.5 left my basal at 8 which has been working fine but now im finding im high two hours after eating which may be because of timing but i worked out my carb ratio and insulin sensitivity using the 500 and 100 rules and its working out as 1:35g of carbs based on my average tdd over 4 days at 14:25 and my sensitivity is working out to1:7 this is also including doses im injecting to correct for the highs,but i left my testing machine set up to 1:25g and sensitivity to 1:4.5 and im still going high so the ratios iv worked out must be wrong, or am i working out something incorrectly,and i dont want to use the ratios im coming out with because im scared if i do my sugars with go dangerously high seeing as the ratios im currently working to are still not getting my sugars within range after two hours, iv adjusted them back to 1:40g and 1:4 sensitivity and ill see how that goes over the next few days, but im also noticing that my basal insulin might now be to high because my sugars are dropping from 7 to 4.7 but im scared to adjust that incase it throws all my other ratios out, iv tried contacting my dsn but cant seem to get through i will carry on ringing but just thought id ask you guys see if you can shed any light on the issue
 
It’s probably an idea to change one thing at a time, then you can work out what’s working more easily.
 
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