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Oviva Programme - safe BMI

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I was diagnosed T2D in January with a frankly quite scary number of 117. I was offered the Oviva programme but my BMI of just under 27 didnt qualify. 3 months later I got my BG down to 79 on max dose metformin. Then started Gliclazide that made me put on weight at a frightening rate! Up to 29 BMI which meant I did qualify for Oviva programme. I started 2 weeks ago - lost 2.8kg in my first week (target is to lose 7.2kg). BMI is now down to about 28.

My question is - if I keep going at this rate, my BMI will be down below the safe number of 27. I obviously want to continue loosing weight, but wondered if I should move off the Oviva programme when I get to this number?
 
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I don't have any experience of the Oviva programme although I believe some members do, but I'm puzzled by the comment about 27 being a safe BMI. In what way is being below 27 unsafe?

A healthy BMI is between 18.5 and 24.9 according to the NHS. Mine was 29 at diagnosis, now 22.
 
Sorry - the comment about the safe BMI was in relation to being elligible for the programme. You need to have a BMI of at least 27 to go on the programme as the sudden weight loss can put a strain on the heart.
 
As i understand it, the programme offers support. Presumably they discuss with you how to lose weight steadily. I know there is a different course, pathway to remission course that is based on Shakes andsoups. The diet element is 12 weeks but is strict.
How long is the Oviva course? I think as the nhs pays for the course they need value for money so you need a reasonably high bmi to start but I cannot believe you would be abandoned at 27. 27 is not a healthy bmi. Unless you are a very muscular athlete you need to lose more.
My bmi last year was 32 it's now 26. I'm over 65 so don't think I qualify for any course. I'm losing weight slowly with fewer carbs and more movement.
 
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It is the shakes and soups that I am on. And interestngly the 'support' they offer is a link to this forum - as well as the occassional question in the app, but no response when you reply. and when you ask questions they ignore them.
 
Look at the remission thread in the forum. I hadn't seen mention of Oviva being a provider of the soup and shake diet. @pjgtech was the last person to post meaningfully about his experience.
 
You might find it helpful to look into the results of the reTUNE study, @nicke1uk

This was an extension of Prof Taylor’s work to extend the Newcastle Diet, and monitor the effects on people who were a lower weight at diagnosis.

www.diabetes.org.uk

ReTUNE study shows type 2 remission possible for people with lower body weight

While we know that obesity increases the risk of developing type 2 diabetes, 10% of people with type 2 diabetes have a BMI that is not in the obesity or overweight category.
www.diabetes.org.uk www.diabetes.org.uk

I think participants in the trial dropped from an average of 25ish BMI, to about 22.5 - which would suggest that you could safely continue to lose weight for some time once below 27? 🙂
 
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