Occasional pain when injecting

[OldBuzzard]

I do understand and it was why I felt obliged to step in and say something because I could see you were getting frustrated and I can entirely understand that. Lucy used to have a comment in her signature about her autism and that she did not mean to be rude but then someone accused her of using her condition as an excuse, so she removed the information. Sometimes you just can't win but personally I felt it was helpful to be able to see that information as otherwise people can easily be affronted or upset by her manner when it really isn't intended.

Didn't know we had a policewoman active on this site! Well done though and thank you.
But how bloody mean and unfeeling to have a go at her like that - this world isn't fit for the likes of Lucy and you.

 

[rebrascora]

Did I declare that info on my profile or are you just a good guesser? I am however retired but maybe old habits die hard.

 

[mashedupmatt]

Can we keep things civil please - this started as a good discussion about a common issue but has deteriorated - be nice folks

 

[OldBuzzard]

Did I declare that info on my profile or are you just a good guesser? I am however retired but maybe old habits die hard.

Total guess - but perhaps an old copper keeps her spots! (Ooops - should be stripes perhaps)

 

[rebrascora]

Can we keep things civil please - this started as a good discussion about a common issue but has deteriorated - be nice folks

Think you may have misinterpreted someone's post Matt, I don't think there was anything derogatory intended.... More complimentary I think.

 

[OldBuzzard]

Can we keep things civil please - this started as a good discussion about a common issue but has deteriorated - be nice folks

We are being civil now - currently just discovering things about each other sociably and usefully.
Agreed that it's gone off course somewhat but that's part of the learning curve, in my opinion.
And if you look back then you'll see why I wasn't being so nice - however, this lovely young copper has gone along way to sort matters out.

 

[mashedupmatt]

Thanks everyone - for me injecting does hurt sometimes (at the end of the day you are puncturing your skin) and sometimes it bleeds and/or bruises - there doesn't seem to be any reason why or not - most of the time it doesn't sting but if a big dose it can be a bit uncomfortable - unfortunately it's the nature of the beast

 

[OldBuzzard]

Hello mashedupmatt
Delighted to come across your acquaintance - long may we share this forum.

I think that the nicest thing about this forum is that it can start out on one topic and introduce so many more as it progresses. Hopefully it'll keep coming back to the original theme - it obviously isn't a rigidly formed creation. However, essentially it's an informative place - I've already learned so much from other members - both from reading their replies and by checking out other posts elsewhere.
I'm new here but being made to feel very much at home already, thanks to some briliantly friendly members and hope that, as time goes by, I too will become more the teacher and less the pupil.
If I end my days just half as good as some of these members then I'll be very proud.

 

[Natalie123]

I can well imagine that you'd be more sensative when hot because the nerves would be naturally more sensative then - think how unfeeling your hand or feet get in icy weather

That's probably what is is, yes. I'd never really thought about it. I also find it harder to puncture the skin when hot, my skin gets tough and buckles!

 

[OldBuzzard]

Thanks everyone - for me injecting does hurt sometimes (at the end of the day you are puncturing your skin) and sometimes it bleeds and/or bruises - there doesn't seem to be any reason why or not - most of the time it doesn't sting but if a big dose it can be a bit uncomfortable - unfortunately it's the nature of the beast

Hey - where or why do you end up with a big dose? Oh but you're Type 1, of course... Sympathies to you.

Us Type 2s fortunately only have a 'normal dose' of perhaps 10, 12 or 14 units - but that's bad enough!
It's just that unerring ability we have of stabbing a nerve, time and time again and I guess it happens to you too! No pleasure regardless of the size of dose.
But the occasional bleed - that's something that I haven't bothered with even though it happens. After all, it doesn't hurt and even a bruise is usually only noted later on.
As you say, it's the nature of the beast - but do you think that's a masculine viewpoint only, perchance?

 

[Lucyr]

Us Type 2s fortunately only have a 'normal dose' of perhaps 10, 12 or 14 units - but that's bad enough!

I’m not sure where you get this idea from but I think it’s a misunderstanding. T2 are generally more insulin resistant and so some can be on hundreds of units at a time, whilst other T2s produce lots of insulin and just need a small dose to top up their existing production

 

[OldBuzzard]

I’m not sure where you get this idea from but I think it’s a misunderstanding. T2 are generally more insulin resistant and so some can be on hundreds of units at a time, whilst other T2s produce lots of insulin and just need a small dose to top up their existing production

Ahhh - sure sign that I'm still learning!
Of course, while I was in hospital before I was released, newly de-sugared, those around me were almost all in my same group of Type 2 and on just small doses plus some back-up medication so that's what I'm used to and what I kind of understand to be normal.
I'm quickly learning that I'm very wrong!

 

[Lucyr]

Ahhh - sure sign that I'm still learning!
Of course, while I was in hospital before I was released, newly de-sugared, those around me were almost all in my same group of Type 2 and on just small doses plus some back-up medication so that's what I'm used to and what I kind of understand to be normal.
I'm quickly learning that I'm very wrong!

They make triple strength insulin, I think you can even get five times the strength insulin, to reduce the volume high users need to inject.

Normal insulin is u100 so 100 units in every 1ml. U300 is 3 times as strong to 300units in every 1ml. U500 is 500 units in every 1ml

 

[mashedupmatt]

10u is a big dose for me so will split it into 2 injections of 5o (on each side of the stomach) - I dose 1 unit for every 10g of carbs as a general rule (depending on what and when I'm eating - sometimes more and sometimes less) - if you are T2 on insulin you will usually have much bigger doses of basal insulin to bring your base levels in order - maybe consider splitting it into 2 injections

 

[rebrascora]

It is often the other way around that Type 1s need smaller doses and Type 2s need larger doses, but it depends on a number of factors. The key thing is that you need whatever you need to keep your levels in range. Also, I am always a little sceptical about the actual diagnosis itself as saying someone is Type 2 is largely guesswork, sometimes based on inaccurate or outdated ideas. There are no specific tests for Type 2, it is more a case of if you are middle ages or more mature and you are a bit overweight, you are assumed to be Type 2 but many of us were misdiagnosed at first and subsequently tested and found to be Type 1 or perhaps even Type 3c which is damage to the pancreas from things like gall stones/pancreatitis, cysts or even tumours as well as trauma from an accident or surgery, so whilst you have a Type 2 label at the moment, it isn't always a certainty that is correct. Indeed it could be that you were eating all those jelly babies because you were not producing enough insulin to get energy from your food because it was all stuck in your blood stream. It can be a chicken and egg scenario.... did the JBs cause the diabetes or the diabetes cause you to eat jelly babies! That is an interesting thought isn't it?

 

[OldBuzzard]

They make triple strength insulin, I think you can even get five times the strength insulin, to reduce the volume high users need to inject.

Normal insulin is u100 so 100 units in every 1ml. U300 is 3 times as strong to 300units in every 1ml. U500 is 500 units in every 1ml

To me that's stupid - but that's because I only really imagine people with my degree of affliction.
But then again, they make multiple-strengths of most things now so why not? And to those on a high dosage, that presumably makes sense whereas to me, that would mean injecting 0.12ml based on u100 - an unmeasurable amount, I imagine. You'd have to bulk it out which would defeat the object.

 

[rebrascora]

10u is a big dose for me so will split it into 2 injections of 5o (on each side of the stomach) - I dose 1 unit for every 10g of carbs as a general rule (depending on what and when I'm eating - sometimes more and sometimes less) - if you are T2 on insulin you will usually have much bigger doses of basal insulin to bring your base levels in order - maybe consider splitting it into 2 injections

Yes, I usually split 10 units of bolus insulin into 2x 5u if I need a big correction on a morning plus breakfast and FOTF. It would be extremely unusual for me to need 10u for a meal itself and I split my morning basal dose of 22u into 2x11u just to ensure more even absorption of both and in my opinion, stress the tissue less by injecting smaller amounts into each site. Might just be me being a bit prissy but when you inject 8-10 times a day, what's another jab between friends.

 

[rebrascora]

To me that's stupid - but that's because I only really imagine people with my degree of affliction.
But then again, they make multiple-strengths of most things now so why not? And to those on a high dosage, that presumably makes sense whereas to me, that would mean injecting 0.12ml based on u100 - an unmeasurable amount, I imagine. You'd have to bulk it out which would defeat the object.

You would still dial up 12 units and the pen just dispenses a much smaller volume of liquid containing those 12 units. Pens dispense really surprisingly small amounts of insulin pretty accurately. My pens do half unit doses so I often just inject 1.5 units which is 0.015mls if my maths is correct and I can inject just 0.5 units so 0.005mls if I wanted to, depending upon the circumstances.

 

[Lucyr]

And to those on a high dosage, that presumably makes sense whereas to me, that would mean injecting 0.12ml based on u100 - an unmeasurable amount, I imagine. You'd have to bulk it out which would defeat the object.

Your insulin pen literally measures it out

 

[mashedupmatt]

if I need a big correction on a morning plus breakfast and FOTF. It would be extremely unusual for me to need 10u for a meal itself

I think I've done it once for a meal TBH - 9u plus 1u correction - the most I've ever had - lucky that I only need 4u morning and night for my basal (less at night if I've done lots of exercise ATM with the discontinuation of Levemir 😡)