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Nutritional information - a call for sanity

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DeusXM

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Just wondering if there's any way we could kick off or get some sort of lobbying body to encourage supermarkets to put better nutritional information on their packaging.

I've found that Sainsbury's in particular are really bad at this. They do include per 100g information, but in a very unreadable format, and their per portion info is very clear but misses the most important point for us. The per portion info details fat, sat fat, protein, calories, sugars and salt - but no carbs! While I appreciate people may be watching any of these closely, the fact is that people with diabetes need the total carb content, particularly if you are dosing with insulin.

I've been left in an unpleasant position where I've had to start multiplying by ratios and guessing based on the hard to read info for the 100g factor. Wouldn't it make far more sense to put the total carbs per portion on the packet rather than the total sugars?
 
It certainly would. I also object to the size of font used for most nutritional information - often very tiny and as my eyesight has started to get worse due to my age I often need a magnifying glass to read it. That's when it's not completely hidden from view on the inside of a sealed packet! 😱 If we started highlighting total carbs the way that fat is highlighted then people might also begin to realise that too many carbs in the diet can also be bad for you - not just sugar, as many recent documentaries have revealed.
 
I did contact some of the supermarkets for clearer labeling on their products. Most respond it was working for many people and that if you needed more it was possible to work out for yourself.

Other major food manufactureres weren't very helpful on that score eiehter.
 
I agree we need total carbs displayed clearly and sensibly. There must be many people who think ?That?s healthy not a lot of fat or sugar? not realising there are enough carbs to last a day! The press can help here as well by producing sensible articles on nutrition. I saw one article that said cheese only contained empty calories when in moderation it also contains proteins and calcium. The body also absorbs calcium far better from dairy products that from calcium tablets where the majority goes straight through!

Northerner is absolutely right. I need reading glasses these days but struggle with some of the microprint on packaging ? just because they have the technology to print that small they do not have to use it! Or is it a case of trying to hide information?
 
Northerner is absolutely right. I need reading glasses these days but struggle with some of the microprint on packaging ? just because they have the technology to print that small they do not have to use it! Or is it a case of trying to hide information?

That's exactly it, and the reason why any 'small print' is ever used - it's so you'd have to make a real effort to read it. :(
 
I've decided to drop Sainsbury's a line. I suspect it won't come to much as there is a vested interest in keeping the general public less aware that carbs can have an impact on your health. But I've given it a go anyway. It might be more persuasive if others also write in with a similar request. Here's what I've sent though if anyone's interested:

I would like to request you redesign the nutritional information layout on your own brand packaging please.

I have diabetes - a condition which around 3 million people in the UK suffer from. I treat my condition through insulin injections. A key part of this treatment is matching the quantity of insulin I inject to the amount of carbohydrate I eat. For instance, I need to inject 1 unit of insulin to enable me to safely eat 5g of carbohydrate.

Therefore, for me, it is vitally important that the carbohydrate information per portion is clearly labelled. That way, if I am eating a portion of something that contains 40g of carbohydrate, I should take 8 units of insulin, for example.

The problem is, your packaging does not contain this information.

I acknowledge that your packaging does contain a macronutrient breakdown per 100g, so this does give me a starting point. However, I would state that the information is not particularly clearly presented - the usual standard is to do this as a table, rather than a list, which means I have to look quite closely to accurately judge the carbohydrate content per 100g.

I would also say that this information is not actually helpful in the case of smaller food items. For instance, I recently bought some Sainsbury's pork and chorizo lattice rolls. While these are delicious, I have no idea how to dose my insulin accurately for them. I know that 100g of these rolls contains 24.3g of carbs. But I probably wouldn't eat 100g of these in one go. I might eat 2 or 3 individual rolls. I have no idea how much each individual roll weighs, and thus how many carbs are in each roll, because this information is not on the packet.

There is 'per roll' nutritional information which lists almost every macronutrient variable EXCEPT the one I actually need, carbohydrates. So someone who is on a low-cal, low fat or low sodium diet can make informed dietary choices. But I can't. The 'sugars' reading is irrelevant as all carbs turn to blood sugar and need insulin, not just 'sugar'.

Therefore, at a glance, I cannot accurately dose my insulin - I need to find a pair of kitchen scales, weigh out the food and then get a calculator to convert the per 100g rate to something more useful. It would be much easier if the per item carbohydrate amount was simply included on the packaging in the first place.

Why is this important? Because if I get the carbohydrate estimate wrong, that can have immediate and extremely dramatic consequences. If I over estimate the number of carbohydrates in what I'm eating, I will take too much insulin. This could then cause hypoglycaemia, which can be fatal in as little as 15 minutes. It also causes severe cognitive impairment and indeed, one of the conditions set by the DVLA is that people with diabetes must have avoided serious hypoglycaemia in the last year if they wish to retain their driving license.

Meanwhile, if I underestimate the carbohydrate quantity, I will take too little insulin. This causes hyperglycaemia, which cumulatively causes blindness, amputation, heart disease and kidney failure.

As you can imagine, these are outcomes I'd wish to avoid when choosing to eat Sainsbury's products!

Therefore, would it be possible to put the total carbohydrate count per item on the packaging as well please? Or put this on instead of the useless 'sugars' information? Not only would this help the 3 million people out there with diabetes, it would also support the growing number of people who are on low-carb diets, in common with your support for those on low-sodium or low-fat diets.
 
Great letter. I'll be interested to read of any reply you get to it.
 
I agree aboslutely wholehearedly with everything you have said Deus, unfortunately though you have just missed the public consultation (last Summer) on food labelling (what? you didn't even hear about it? how odd... surely it was promoted at a *very* high level by the food industry and govt 🙄)

I posted a thread about it here, but I'm not sure you were a member at that stage. Also blogged about it here:

Food labelling - have your say
http://www.everydayupsanddowns.co.uk/2012/07/uk-food-labelling-consultation-have.html

Seeing red - traffic lights and missed opportunities
http://www.everydayupsanddowns.co.uk/2012/10/seeing-red-food-labelling-traffic.html (with interesting comments/responses)

Even more annoyingly Sainsburys *used* to include per-portion carbs in a table on all their onw-brand products exactly as you described, but moved away from such helpful things about 12-18 months ago (before the food labelling consultation). So they went backwards, and are now being told they *need* to continue to list 'of which sugars' rather than carbs. Disappointing to say the least.
 
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great letter it would be interesting to see what their reply is. I did have an issue with zero sugar fizzy drinks. They would send me full sugar ones. I got an apathetic reply about being offered the nearest substitute. These days unless I want full sugar drinks I send them back if they are sent as a substitute.
 
Always though it was compulsory to include the full nutritional breakdown on food packaging, Sainsbury's is not a shop I venture in regularly but all the other big names seem to include the carbohydrate content, the reply should be interesting if they bother to answer.
 
i'm with you on that & the labelling is tiny when its on!

i think shops like greggs that sell fresh sandwiches & that are just put in a greggs bag, should put nutritional information somewhere.

like a sausage roll from greggs, i got one coz i was starving & i asked what the nutritional info was to get errmmmm i dont know.

i had to guess the insulin needed
 
I don't mind the fact that variosu 'fresh' and bakery items don't have a label on them (a bit of guesswork every so often is good practice!) but where the labels ARE required it drives me nuts that they are so useless for us when we are one of the groups in the country to which it matters the most!
 
I think that's what bugs me the most about it too.

No-one else is at the risk of suddenly dropping dead after eating something because they didn't quite calculate the right amount of fat or salt. Furthermore,they've gone to the effort of putting the sugar content on there anyway which actually requires them to know the total carb content first!

Of course, we all know the real reason for this. It's because portraying carbs as potentially a problem would be extremely awkward for bakers, cereal manufacturers etc. There's already a fudging on fruit where these are high in sugar and there's mealy-mouthed apology on the lines of the sugar's naturally occurring. Which as I've said before, is no different from saying the fat content of bacon is naturally occurring in the pig.
 
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Apparently during the recent public consultation the energy/fat/salt/sugar stuff was not up for discussion anyway. It is written in stone that these are 'key to public health'.

The fact that we live or die by this stuff is not seen as relevant.

Everyone *knows* sugar is bad because it gives you a 'sugar rush'. The fact that 'healthy' breakfast cereal like cornflakes will more than likely beat table sugar hands down doesn't seem to matter.

Carbs are good, sugar is bad and fat is the very worst of all. *sigh*
 
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Another reason to avoid Sainsbury then, apart from the fact that they are noticeably more expensive on standard branded goods than other supermarkets. Sorry, there's been a debate flying round our town for months and months as to whether to "let Sainsbury in", when it's a small town of approx 12,000 people and already has Morrison's, Tesco, Lidl and 3 Co-ops.

Seriously though, it drives me mad trying to find carb content on very many foods. Including having to first find my specs.
 
Well, that was a surprise!

I've just had a phonecall from the Sainsbury's customer care team regarding the email I sent.

The person I spoke to said that my request had been passed on to the marketing team for consideration but did just want to make me aware that:

  • It's hard to put nutritional advice on packaging for people with diabetes because everyone is different
  • There isn't a legal requirement to put 'per portion' carbohydrate information on the packet
  • The information is difficult to calculate

As she was just a call centre person I didn't give her a hard time but when she asked if there was any further information or comments I wanted to raise, I did say

  • All people with diabetes are different but EVERY person with diabetes needs to know how many carbs they are eating
  • If they can work out the sugar content of a product then it cannot be difficult to calculate the carb content overall, and this information would be far more meaningful
  • They've done a great job of helping people on low-fat and low-sodium diets make the right choices - adding one more reading would make a huge difference to lives of people with diabetes and would make me more inclined to shop at Sainsburys!

So in other words, yeah, they're not going to do anything, but I did appreciate they actually bothered to read what I'd written and gave me a call about it. I do wonder, if we all suddenly started getting in touch about the same thing, maybe the little lightbulb might switch on?

As a separate point, I haven't shopped there for a while but all the Tesco stuff in my cupboard does have the per portion carb content - maybe not in quite so big numbers at the front as the sugar and fat, but it's definitely in the table on the back. That is quite heartening given they're paired up with Diabetes UK at the moment.
 
it is a step forwards at least.

I think part of the reason we don't get all of the information we need comes down to costs, it costs money to have someone do these calculations. When I asked the staff restrant where I work if I could have nutritonal information stating it was for medical reasosn and that it would benfit staff they couldn't or wouldn't do it because of the cost involved.
 
I know. What's ridiculous though is they obviously have to do the carb calculation first to get to the sugar one - they've actually got the number somewhere but just haven't chosen to print it.

I'm still a bit knocked for six that an actual person based in the UK called me within 24 hours.
 
Good that they have got back to you, but as you say - it's not that difficult to do the calculations from their end since they can simply use a program for everything (and probably already have the values anyway, just don't print them). But it's less easy for us to do the calcs in our heads, or impossible if they don't supply all the necessary variables. You can't tell me that they don't know down to the last gram what portions weigh, because the recipes will be fine-tuned to provide greatest uniformity and profit.
 
Good that they got back to you. I really don't think asking for carbs per portion is any good as serving size is dependent on appetite, build and calorie intake, more useful is the carbs per 100g so that you work out your portion size yourself.
 
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