New type 2 diagnosed 16days ago day 15 of fast 800

[SAH08]

Hoping to reverse this diagnosis …

 

[admc26]

Hi @SAH08 and welcome to the forum. Glad that your hoping to get into remission!

How are you managing your T2D at the moment? Do you have a blood glucose monitor? Is it just diet that your managing it with at the moment? We'd love to know more!

Please feel free to ask any questions on here and I am sure someone will provide some helpful information 🙂

 

[SAH08]

Hi 🙂 HBA1C 52, Dr wanted to repeat asap but told her will get it repeated in 12 weeks. currently on fast 800, have lost 11ibs in two weeks so it’s working.
Random blood sugar on monitor (a friends ) 9.6 day before going on 800, for last 9 days they have been 4.7- 4.8 12 hrs post fast and 5.6 5.8 2 hrs post dinner. Am determined to beat this !!

 

[Leadinglights]

There are quite a few people who have successfully brought down their HbA1C with the type of diet you are doing for a short time but there then has to be a careful transition to a more normal way of eating but which still maintains the lower blood glucose levels and that can be the tricky bit. There will be plenty of advice and suggestions here when you get to that point. Good luck with your progress and well done on the weight loss so far.
Reducing blood glucose levels quickly can cause issues with your eyes but hopefully it won't affect you but if your vision goes a bit weird that might be why so don't panic and it should return to normal.

 

[Eddy Edson]

Hi 🙂 HBA1C 52, Dr wanted to repeat asap but told her will get it repeated in 12 weeks. currently on fast 800, have lost 11ibs in two weeks so it’s working.
Random blood sugar on monitor (a friends ) 9.6 day before going on 800, for last 9 days they have been 4.7- 4.8 12 hrs post fast and 5.6 5.8 2 hrs post dinner. Am determined to beat this !!

Looking great! The numbers you quote look completely "normal", so far.

Keeping the weight off will be the main thing looking forward, probably, and I'd suggest working on strategies for that.

FWIW, I've studied up on this a lot since zapping my T2D via weight loss 3.5+ years ago, and maintaining the weight loss since then. Some key points:

- Generally yr bod & brain will conspire to try to make you put weight back on. It's not a matter of will power; it happens at a fundamental neuro & hormonal level below conscious control, ancient embedded processes designed to protect from starvation, the main concern through most of human history.

- Exercise is really important for maintaining weight loss. In response to weight loss, the bod/brain conspire to make you eat more than you need to. Buring off the excess calories can be really important. Eg: I burn 400 - 500 calories per day with walking, and I'm sure that has played a big role in keeping weight off.

- Ignore the woo about carbohydrates being more fattening etc etc etc. They're not.

- Simple strategies: fibre fills(I eat 70g+ per day); don't have any c**p in the house; weigh often; do get a handle on how many calories you're eating and burning; wean off thinking you deserve "treats".

Anyway, good luck!

 

[SAH08]

Looking great! The numbers you quote look completely "normal", so far.

Keeping the weight off will be the main thing looking forward, probably, and I'd suggest working on strategies for that.

FWIW, I've studied up on this a lot since zapping my T2D via weight loss 3.5+ years ago, and maintaining the weight loss since then. Some key points:

- Generally yr bod & brain will conspire to try to make you put weight back on. It's not a matter of will power; it happens at a fundamental neuro & hormonal level below conscious control, ancient embedded processes designed to protect from starvation, the main concern through most of human history.

- Exercise is really important for maintaining weight loss. In response to weight loss, the bod/brain conspire to make you eat more than you need to. Buring off the excess calories can be really important. Eg: I burn 400 - 500 calories per day with walking, and I'm sure that has played a big role in keeping weight off.

- Ignore the woo about carbohydrates being more fattening etc etc etc. They're not.

- Simple strategies: fibre fills(I eat 70g+ per day); don't have any c**p in the house; weigh often; do get a handle on how many calories you're eating and burning; wean off thinking you deserve "treats".

Anyway, good luck!

Thanks for this I’m looking at it as a lifestyle change also (ate basically beige foods will defo look at whole picture for sure. Will prob switch to the 5.2 when I’ve reached my target weight loss. You have done amazing !! Well done you !

 

[SAH08]

There are quite a few people who have successfully brought down their HbA1C with the type of diet you are doing for a short time but there then has to be a careful transition to a more normal way of eating but which still maintains the lower blood glucose levels and that can be the tricky bit. There will be plenty of advice and suggestions here when you get to that point. Good luck with your progress and well done on the weight loss so far.
Reducing blood glucose levels quickly can cause issues with your eyes but hopefully it won't affect you but if your vision goes a bit weird that might be why so don't panic and it should return to normal.

Thanks Eddie , yes funny you should say that about the eyes have had a bit of funny vision when going from phone to laptop am pleased it will go back to
Normal haha.
Yes as for the continuation plan I’m hoping to maintain on the 5/2 but will appreciate the support from this forum

 

[Windy]

You sound like you're doing really well @SAH08 🙂.
The main thing that I found when I went from eating 800 calories a day for 3 months to 1500 was that I had dreadful belly ache for a week, I guess almost doubling the amount of food I was having was a bit much for my digestive system to cope with. If I did it again, I'd phase in the increased calories over a couple of weeks, to minimise the bloating and discomfort I had.

 

[SAH08]

You sound like you're doing really well @SAH08 🙂.
The main thing that I found when I went from eating 800 calories a day for 3 months to 1500 was that I had dreadful belly ache for a week, I guess almost doubling the amount of food I was having was a bit much for my digestive system to cope with. If I did it again, I'd phase in the increased calories over a couple of weeks, to minimise the bloating and discomfort I had.

Thank you for that advice 🙂 did you do the 5.2 after the 800 or just went back to 1500 cals ?

 

[Windy]

I went straight on to 1500 calories. I need to lose 24kg, so I'm hoping the 1500 calories helps with that. When I get to my target weight, I'll probably do 5:2 if my weight creeps up again. I've followed it before and it's less disruptive than doing a set number of calories each day.

 

[SAH08]

I went straight on to 1500 calories. I need to lose 24kg, so I'm hoping the 1500 calories helps with that. When I get to my target weight, I'll probably do 5:2 if my weight creeps up again. I've followed it before and it's less disruptive than doing a set number of calories each day.

Thank you 🙂 do you check your levels on a daily basis ?

 

[Windy]

I always check first thing in the morning, and if I'm eating a new meal I've not had before, in which case, I check just before the meal, and two hours afterwards. But stuff I've eaten loads of times, I don't test, as it gives a similar result to the previous times I ate it.
I keep a note of my meals on a spreadsheet (in LibreOffice calc, an open source spreadsheet programme, similar to Excel), and record the BG level, both before and after the meal on there for the ones I test, and the fasting one for the morning and I have a graph to see what the fasting level is up to, and a trendline. I plan to brandish it at my GP if I ever see him in person!

 

[nonethewiser]

Hi 🙂 HBA1C 52, Dr wanted to repeat asap but told her will get it repeated in 12 weeks. currently on fast 800, have lost 11ibs in two weeks so it’s working.
Random blood sugar on monitor (a friends ) 9.6 day before going on 800, for last 9 days they have been 4.7- 4.8 12 hrs post fast and 5.6 5.8 2 hrs post dinner. Am determined to beat this !!

Second what Eddie said above, so well done on what you've achieved so far.

Wife after putting on weight was told she was prediabetic, possibly tipped over threshold not sure, anyway told her about how weight loss & losing visceral fat around organs can reverse diabetes, this after reading about Newcastle Diet, so she went on diet & lost 5 stone in total, that was 4 years ago & all bloods since are in normal range pleased to say.

 

[SAH08]

Thank you for the info much appreciated

I always check first thing in the morning, and if I'm eating a new meal I've not had before, in which case, I check just before the meal, and two hours afterwards. But stuff I've eaten loads of times, I don't test, as it gives a similar result to the previous times I ate it.
I keep a note of my meals on a spreadsheet (in LibreOffice calc, an open source spreadsheet programme, similar to Excel), and record the BG level, both before and after the meal on there for the ones I test, and the fasting one for the morning and I have a graph to see what the fasting level is up to, and a trendline. I plan to brandish it at my GP if I ever see him in person!
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thank you for the info much appreciated think I’m gonna check in morning then before after dinner 🙂 great plan with knowing what your eating and not having to keep testing 🙂

 

[SAH08]

Second what Eddie said above, so well done on what you've achieved so far.

Wife after putting on weight was told she was prediabetic, possibly tipped over threshold not sure, anyway told her about how weight loss & losing visceral fat around organs can reverse diabetes, this after reading about Newcastle Diet, so she went on diet & lost 5 stone in total, that was 4 years ago & all bloods since are in normal range pleased to say.

Blimey that was amazing results !! Am keeping my fingers crossed for success !!

 

[ianf0ster]

Blimey that was amazing results !! Am keeping my fingers crossed for success !!

Success like that isn't unusual. There are 2 main ways of achieving it both of which with similar results and success rate, so just pick the one you feel you can do easiest:
1. 800 Calorie diet for 12 weeks popularised by Prof Roy Taylor. If it's based upon shakes then it's usually called a 'Newcastle diet', but cn be a real food diet as popularised by Dr Michael Mosely (of 'Trust Me I'm a Doctor').

2. Easing into a low (or very low) carbohydrate way of eating. Advised by Dr David Unwin (a Southport GP who's practice's spend on Diabetes drugs is about £65K bellow average), Freshwell GP Practice in the UK and Virta in the USA .
This is the one I used to lose 1/6th of my body weight and reduce my HbA1C to 37 (no cutting calories, no extra exercise, no medications). This way good for people who don't have too much weight to lose and gets lower Blood Glucose results very quickly. Though if initial HbA1C is over 70 then its probably best to cut carbs progressively rather than all at once because body gets used to high BG and reacts badly to a big reduction even if that reduction is just to normal levels.

 

[Deleted member 21371]

Excellent result.
As Eddy says, ignore the quick fix on don't eat carbs, don't exercise, don't cut calories etc.
I got bombarded with all that when I did the original 800 calorie diet.
I still exercise, still don't overeat, and can generally eat anything now.
It did alter my eating patterns though.
Which was good.
I'm honest with myself.
I did overeat, so a diet that said "eat whatever you want" would be a compete disaster for me.
The beauty of the 800 Calorie diet is it switches off the overeating, and let's you choose want, and how many calories you bring back in.
But, once again, brilliant work.

 

[nonethewiser]

Blimey that was amazing results !! Am keeping my fingers crossed for success !!

Your well on your way to that success believe me.

 

[ianf0ster]

Excellent result.
As Eddy says, ignore the quick fix on don't eat carbs, don't exercise, don't cut calories etc.
I got bombarded with all that when I did the original 800 calorie diet.
I still exercise, still don't overeat, and can generally eat anything now.
It did alter my eating patterns though.
Which was good.
I'm honest with myself.
I did overeat, so a diet that said "eat whatever you want" would be a compete disaster for me.
The beauty of the 800 Calorie diet is it switches off the overeating, and let's you choose want, and how many calories you bring back in.
But, once again, brilliant work.

You chose the most appropriate method for you , however I chose Low Carb because it was more appropriate for me. I have always had a large appetite, yet was slim until over a decade of eating to the Eatwell Plate (which meant eating between 350gms and 400gms of carbs per day! And while I'm able to fast for up to 3 days (I do that every 2yrs in preparation for my regular colonoscopies) there is no way I would have the self masochism it would need to limit my calorie intake to just 800 per day for 10 or 12 weeks.
That is why I recognise that for some, even the 2 dietary methods aren't enough and so surgery or medication may be required. But it is always worth trying them first and for those for whom diets have failed in the past then cutting carbs probably makes the most sense.

 

[everydayupsanddowns]

Welcome to the forum @SAH08

Well done on your progress so far, let us know how things are going over the coming months.