New NHS diet

[Pine Marten]

I tried a meal replacement option way back - it did not work in the manner set out, two shakes and a small meal - despite being assured that the weight would just melt away, I did not lose anything. It was not taking into account my history of low calorie diets which had by then slowed my metabolism, and I was going to be finally diagnosed with a defunct thyroid about ten years later but I had all the symptoms then (it is notoriously difficult to diagnose I was told) I was sold supplements as well as the sachets.

That sounds similar to the thing I tried years ago (long before D) - it drove me crazy with hunger and my teeth were aching to bite into real food. Not a success.

 

[Deleted member 21371]

I absolutely hate replacement diets as a concept because they might make folk lose weight but the do absolutely nothing in reeducating people about food - real food that is. However, I suppose there's a lot of people who don't have the luxury of budget, time or money, to cook and so this is probably a very effective way of shifting the weight. However, I've been on a huge learning curve with food and carbs and its working for me. The BG is very much under control and the weight is coming off albeit very slowly. However, I do know that slowly is more effective in the long term. It feels like the wrong investment by NHS. It will garner results in the short term but I'd be more interested in the long term and thats where LCHF seems to fit well.

That's interesting. So you find slow weight loss has reversed your diabetes, and you can eat a normal diet again without seeing a rise in blood glucose level beyond what would be considered a normal response.?
Or do you think slow weight low is more effective in a different way with regard to diabetes?

 

[Largesse1!]

That's interesting. So you find slow weight loss has reversed your diabetes, and you can eat a normal diet again without seeing a rise in blood glucose level beyond what would be considered a normal response.?
Or do you think slow weight low is more effective in a different way with regard to diabetes?

there Is lots of evidence that being overweight is a key factor in diabetes and there is even more evidence that those who lose weight slowly keep the weight off In the long term - ergo keeping the weight off long term is key to keeping diabetes in remission. There is no research proving diabetes is reversed as such, rather that it can go into remission. Whatever caused your system to develop diabetes in the first place can cause it to recur if not consistently addressed. There is also a great deal of contemporary evidence that the prevailing idea of what ‘eating normally’ is has been misguided for the last few decades.

 

[Ralph-YK]

That's interesting. So you find slow weight loss has reversed your diabetes, and you can eat a normal diet again without seeing a rise in blood glucose level beyond what would be considered a normal response.?
Or do you think slow weight low is more effective in a different way with regard to diabetes?

Slow weight loss is more effective in loosing weight, and maintaining a lower weight. So I understand.
How fast or in what manner you loose weight doesn't affect your diabetes as far as I know. It's what weight you are. And internal(?) fat in your body.

 

[Deleted member 21371]

I don't have any diabetic symptoms.
I have a normal response to eating carbs.
I have normal blood glucose levels.
To me, whether anyone insists it's reversed, or in remission doesn't really affect that.

But I do agree, not everyone can make a change to their life by this procedure, and indeed many claim they will not do able to do it as they are yo-yo dieters.
But that's a mindset of simply dismissing a course of treatment because it's called a "diet", focusing on the first stage only, and ignoring the remainder of the treatment to implement the lifestyle change required.
To me, it was a very easy choice. Follow the course to the end, or stay a diabetic. That was incentive enough for me.

It would be interesting to find the answer to the first question though.
Who has successfully returned to a normal diet after a slow weight loss?
Which includes unlimited carbs.

 

[Ralph-YK]

If it works for you then excellent.

 

[Largesse1!]

I don't have any diabetic symptoms.
I have a normal response to eating carbs.
I have normal blood glucose levels.
To me, whether anyone insists it's reversed, or in remission doesn't really affect that.

But I do agree, not everyone can make a change to their life by this procedure, and indeed many claim they will not do able to do it as they are yo-yo dieters.
But that's a mindset of simply dismissing a course of treatment because it's called a "diet", focusing on the first stage only, and ignoring the remainder of the treatment to implement the lifestyle change required.
To me, it was a very easy choice. Follow the course to the end, or stay a diabetic. That was incentive enough for me.

It would be interesting to find the answer to the first question though.
Who has successfully returned to a normal diet after a slow weight loss?
Which includes unlimited carbs.

You miss the point - there is no such thing as a ‘normal’ diet in the way you suggest. What was normal for you is very subjective and will not be normal for others. Unlimited carbs as an example would be a very not normal diet. Perhaps you mean - who doesn’t have to think about what they eat anymore?

It’s great you feel your diabetes is reversed.

 

[Eddy Edson]

It would be interesting to find the answer to the first question though.
Who has successfully returned to a normal diet after a slow weight loss?
Which includes unlimited carbs.

Me, I think. I lost weight the "classical" way, grinding off half a kilo per week. My BG profile is completely normal - HbA1c dead on non-diabetic median, ditto for time above 7.8 mmol/L and average fasting level.

I don't know if you'd call my diet normal - mainly veggo, mainly raw, lots of nuts & seeds. I focus on heart/artery health and there are better things to eat than bread etc, but I can eat large amounts of carbs without exploding.

Taylor says that rapid weight loss isn't an essential element, just that it might be a better approach for some - a "hard reset" might make follow-on diet changes easier etc.

 

[mikeydt1]

here is the link to the NHS diet. Note it does come with warnings for those who may be asked to try it.

https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/healthy-weight/very-low-calorie-diets/

 

[Deleted member 21371]

The link is nothing to do with the new course of treatment now being prescribed to reverse diabetes in many people, and is an old link to previous preliminary advice. In fact the link no longer exists on the NHS site, and can only be accessed from the old direct link saved above.

The actual results of the research and the basis of the NHS now prescribing low calorie diets for the treatment of diabetes and the advice issued in May of this year for doctors are here

Reversing Type 2 Diabetes | Newcastle Magnetic Resonance Centre | Newcastle University

Reversing Type 2 Diabetes and ongoing remission

www.ncl.ac.uk

https://www.ncl.ac.uk/media/wwwnclacuk/newcastlemagneticresonancecentre/files/2020%20Information%20for%20doctors.pdf

 

[Deleted member 21371]

Me, I think. I lost weight the "classical" way, grinding off half a kilo per week. My BG profile is completely normal - HbA1c dead on non-diabetic median, ditto for time above 7.8 mmol/L and average fasting level.

I don't know if you'd call my diet normal - mainly veggo, mainly raw, lots of nuts & seeds. I focus on heart/artery health and there are better things to eat than bread etc, but I can eat large amounts of carbs without exploding.

Taylor says that rapid weight loss isn't an essential element, just that it might be a better approach for some - a "hard reset" might make follow-on diet changes easier etc.

Thanks for replying.
Half a kilo a weight is still pretty impressive.
And good to hear you have a normal response to carbs again!

I agree that the very low calorie may well help to do a reset, after I did it I had adapted to not eating, so it was a blank canvas starting again. Possibly just cutting down doesn't give some people this, so they never lose the habits they previously had.

 

[corfu2019]

I urge you both to Google 'The Newcastle Diet' that Prof Roy Taylor of Newcastle University Med School devised and pioneered. It can and does work for most people who have enough weight to lose in the first place and can also continue to keep it off.

I have found this to work I am three weeks in the fast 800 it has been tried and tested , it has took so long for it to filter through to the NHS for them to sit around a desk for years deciding maybe we have got the diet wrong for Diebetics? that is why they are only running it now . Weight loss 1 stone in three weeks up to now .

 

[Deleted member 21371]

I have found this to work I am three weeks in the fast 800 it has been tried and tested , it has took so long for it to filter through to the NHS for them to sit around a desk for years deciding maybe we have got the diet wrong for Diebetics? that is why they are only running it now . Weight loss 1 stone in three weeks up to now .

An excellent result, congratulations.

 

[trophywench]

Jolly well done @corfu2019 ! Such promising results early on can't help but spur you on to stick to it.

 

[nonethewiser]

I have found this to work I am three weeks in the fast 800 it has been tried and tested , it has took so long for it to filter through to the NHS for them to sit around a desk for years deciding maybe we have got the diet wrong for Diebetics? that is why they are only running it now . Weight loss 1 stone in three weeks up to now .

Some result.

Keep at it & try to kick diabetes into remission, member here wrote great post about self discipline other day, sounds like you've got plenty so well done lady.