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hazey59 said:
hi @rebrascora, I just want to thank you for your helpful advice and for mentioning Roy Taylor to me. I looked up his study and it made sense of several other terms i have seen on other forum members posts like reference to Fast 800 or the Newcastle diet. I see that fat in both the liver and pancreas is key to a diabetes diagnosis, so reducing that fat is the main aim of both low calorie intake and weight loss - weight loss then has to be maintained to stay in remission from type 2 diabetes but food intake can be adjusted to suit the individual. For myself i will look at including more healthy carbs like lentils and nuts - neither of which i would have considered in my previous way of eating which was highly (bad) carb based.
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Great results!
I lost weight initially, but I found when I finished I still hadn't quite reversed my diabetes.
I mopped it up with the Newcastle diet at the end, which seemed to do the trick.
 
@travellor, that's wonderful that you have sustained your results for 8 years, it shows it is worth all the effort because tbh it was just easy for me to grab cereal or pasties previously - i have needed this diabetes scare to motivate me to take my weight gain and eating habits seriously.
 
hazey59 said:
@travellor, that's wonderful that you have sustained your results for 8 years, it shows it is worth all the effort because tbh it was just easy for me to grab cereal or pasties previously - i have needed this diabetes scare to motivate me to take my weight gain and eating habits seriously.
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I'm sure many of us can relate to that. It was certainly the kick up the pants I needed. 🙄 I feel and look a whole lit better for it, so in fact becoming diabetic has led to me becoming healthier rather than it being an illness.
 
hazey59 said:
@travellor, that's wonderful that you have sustained your results for 8 years, it shows it is worth all the effort because tbh it was just easy for me to grab cereal or pasties previously - i have needed this diabetes scare to motivate me to take my weight gain and eating habits seriously.
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Yes, I got complacent, ( - fat and lazy!).
But, I recognised I'd done it to myself, so mentally for me, it made it easier to get back to what I used to be like.
 
travellor said:
Yes, I got complacent, ( - fat and lazy!).
But, I recognised I'd done it to myself, so mentally for me, it made it easier to get back to what I used to be like.
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My issues were that i didn't fit into my clothes but the principles i was following were not helping me lose weight and that is discouraging. My journey to try cutting out carbs started with finding out sugar is an inflammatory agent and my leg muscles were very sore but a whole year of trying everything else including physio, hydrotherapy, sports massage and visiting a chiropracter had not helped reduce the pain. Then i got the diabetes diagnosis which was the catalyst to tackle my fatty liver which i was diagnosed with a lot of years ago but the Dr didn't advise me how to deal with it at that time.
 
hazey59 said:
My issues were that i didn't fit into my clothes but the principles i was following were not helping me lose weight and that is discouraging. My journey to try cutting out carbs started with finding out sugar is an inflammatory agent and my leg muscles were very sore but a whole year of trying everything else including physio, hydrotherapy, sports massage and visiting a chiropracter had not helped reduce the pain. Then i got the diabetes diagnosis which was the catalyst to tackle my fatty liver which i was diagnosed with a lot of years ago but the Dr didn't advise me how to deal with it at that time.
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I seemed to fair better than most.
I had an excellent surgery.
I went straight onto a low fat diet, was
referred to a dietician, did a lot of NHS type 2 diabetes courses and activities, and an NHS gym.
They didn't come to me though, after I put in the initial work, I think they realised I was seriously looking at lifestyle changes,and I got referred from one course to the next, with my GP's support.
I did the Newcastle diet only own though, using Tesco shakes, it was just after the first handful of subjects results had hit the news.

I can't say sugar was inflammatory for me, and I certainly ate a lot of it!
 
travellor said:
I seemed to fair better than most.
I had an excellent surgery.
I went straight onto a low fat diet, was
referred to a dietician, did a lot of NHS type 2 diabetes courses and activities, and an NHS gym.
They didn't come to me though, after I put in the initial work, I think they realised I was seriously looking at lifestyle changes,and I got referred from one course to the next, with my GP's support.
I did the Newcastle diet only own though, using Tesco shakes, it was just after the first handful of subjects results had hit the news.

I can't say sugar was inflammatory for me, and I certainly ate a lot of it!
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It is a whole new world of learning. Pre July i was oblivious to anything related to diabetes, and now am constantly following leads that are increasing my understanding like adding pieces to a jigsaw. Finding this site has been exactly what i needed. People are open and honest about their successes and failures which is very refreshing.
 
hazey59 said:
It is a whole new world of learning. Pre July i was oblivious to anything related to diabetes, and now am constantly following leads that are increasing my understanding like adding pieces to a jigsaw. Finding this site has been exactly what i needed. People are open and honest about their successes and failures which is very refreshing.
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I've always thought there is no point in lying, I'm always brutally honest with my doctor, and even more with myself.
 
travellor said:
I've always thought there is no point in lying, I'm always brutally honest with my doctor, and even more with myself.
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yes you don't get anywhere by pretending things are different to what they are, but something has to motivate us to both start a solution and to keep going, and sometimes you know things are not right but it's easier to let them ride and just muddle through....
 
hazey59 said:
yes you don't get anywhere by pretending things are different to what they are, but something has to motivate us to both start a solution and to keep going, and sometimes you know things are not right but it's easier to let them ride and just muddle through....
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Being diagnosed was definitely a turning point.
Overall it was a positive, not a negative thing for me.
I won't say I've kept all the weight off all the time, but I never set out to.
When I hit my limit, I just diet again, and when I'm back down, I relax again.
I have been accused of being a "yo-yo" dieter by some.
I'm just not manic, I know my range, it's not huge, but it's there, I stick to that, it works for me.
I control my diet, and my eating now, it doesn't control me, like it used to when I overate.
 
travellor said:
Being diagnosed was definitely a turning point.
Overall it was a positive, not a negative thing for me.
I won't say I've kept all the weight off all the time, but I never set out to.
When I hit my limit, I just diet again, and when I'm back down, I relax again.
I have been accused of being a "yo-yo" dieter by some.
I'm just not manic, I know my range, it's not huge, but it's there, I stick to that, it works for me.
I control my diet, and my eating now, it doesn't control me, like it used to when I overate.
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Yes people are so different aren't they. I was surprised when i read Roy Taylor's study that people who had normal BMIs and weren't overweight also had to lose weight and reduce calories to burn the fat off in their liver and pancreas. It's really good that you can return to base whenever you need to and that you can rely on a method that works. I have lost serious weight three times in the past and it has always gone back on plus more.
 
hazey59 said:
Hi recently diagnosed as Type 2 with HbA1C of 50. Wanting to avoid medication, deal with a fatty liver and reduce weight. Great to see how other people have managed this already but i do have some questions.
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Hi Hazey58,
I was at 50 for the HbA1c and type 2, I put in some hard work lost 17lbs and changed my diet, HbA1c now 41, everything is going well. Go for it you can do it.
 
Graham01 said:
Hi Hazey58,
I was at 50 for the HbA1c and type 2, I put in some hard work lost 17lbs and changed my diet, HbA1c now 41, everything is going well. Go for it you can do it.
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thank you for your encouragement Graham
 
hazey59 said:
Yes people are so different aren't they. I was surprised when i read Roy Taylor's study that people who had normal BMIs and weren't overweight also had to lose weight and reduce calories to burn the fat off in their liver and pancreas. It's really good that you can return to base whenever you need to and that you can rely on a method that works. I have lost serious weight three times in the past and it has always gone back on plus more.
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My own personal theory is other diets are designed to let you limit calories to achieve a weight loss, then you can get back to normal.

I saw the Newcastle Diet as a different ethos.
It's a diet to reverse diabetes.
So it starts as a total break from food, then a planned re introduction of a healthy diet, after you have made a break with the past.

Other versions are available now, many people have jumped on with different diet plans, real food versions, low carb versions, plant based versions,and it goes on.

Psychologically I needed the break from food.
I had re invented my diet on the previous low fat, I had switched from sugar to spicy, and apart from not quite achieving reversal, I think the actual break from food showed how easy it was to simply switch it on and off when I needed to.
It does make a difference.
There are other reasons, metabolic and changes to exercise as to why weight comes back on, they have been discussed on many threads here as well
 
travellor said:
My own personal theory is other diets are designed to let you limit calories to achieve a weight loss, then you can get back to normal.

I saw the Newcastle Diet as a different ethos.
It's a diet to reverse diabetes.
So it starts as a total break from food, then a planned re introduction of a healthy diet, after you have made a break with the past.

Other versions are available now, many people have jumped on with different diet plans, real food versions, low carb versions, plant based versions,and it goes on.

Psychologically I needed the break from food.
I had re invented my diet on the previous low fat, I had switched from sugar to spicy, and apart from not quite achieving reversal, I think the actual break from food showed how easy it was to simply switch it on and off when I needed to.
It does make a difference.
There are other reasons, metabolic and changes to exercise as to why weight comes back on, they have been discussed on many threads here as well
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Do you know the title of any of the threads that discuss weight gain? one thing i read in a magazine was that afer losing weight it takes less calories to gain a pound than it did before so you could eat exactly the same but put weight on.
 
hazey59 said:
Do you know the title of any of the threads that discuss weight gain? one thing i read in a magazine was that afer losing weight it takes less calories to gain a pound than it did before so you could eat exactly the same but put weight on.
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Some people talk about the body going into ‘starvation mode’ with a period of restricted calories, where the metabolism sort of ‘slows down’ its basal metabolic rate - but I’m not sure if that is backed up by current research, or is part of weight-loss-culture / diet industry theorising?

The topic comes up here, with a few people’s experiences

 
hazey59 said:
Do you know the title of any of the threads that discuss weight gain? one thing i read in a magazine was that afer losing weight it takes less calories to gain a pound than it did before so you could eat exactly the same but put weight on.
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@Eddy Edson is probably the expert on this subject.
He has posted some very good articles on this in the past, and very useful information on how to manage it.
I can't find them at the moment, but hopefully he'll be along soon, and can help again.
 
hazey59 said:
Thank you for the explanation. Regarding reducing carb intake, i started cutting out carbs because i read that sugar causes inflammation and my leg muscles were very sore. I asked my GP to do blood tests to find out the cause of the pains which was how the HbA1c was discovered to be 50 along with the fatty liver diagnosis. So cut out sugar, honey, bread, cakes, biscuits, rice, pasta, pastry, cereals and fasted breakfast and lunch to reduce the number of times my insulin was spiked. I drink lemon and ginger tea or green tea at work and eat meat and salad or roast vegetables plus natural yoghurt and berries on an evening. However maybe once a week i will have a baked potato, a few chips, or a small icecream or occasionally a small cake, and then i will test my BS to see what effect those things have had, and most likely will go out for a walk to reduce the figures again.
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everydayupsanddowns said:
Some people talk about the body going into ‘starvation mode’ with a period of restricted calories, where the metabolism sort of ‘slows down’ its basal metabolic rate - but I’m not sure if that is backed up by current research, or is part of weight-loss-culture / diet industry theorising?

The topic comes up here, with a few people’s experiences

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Thank you, i will open it later and enjoy reading about other's experiences.
 
travellor said:
@Eddy Edson is probably the expert on this subject.
He has posted some very good articles on this in the past, and very useful information on how to manage it.
I can't find them at the moment, but hopefully he'll be along soon, and can help again.
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Thank you Travellor, I will have a look after work, I find the whole topic fascinating, but more so now i am actually losing weight which I haven't done for years!
 
hazey59 said:
Thank you Travellor, I will have a look after work, I find the whole topic fascinating, but more so now i am actually losing weight which I haven't done for years!
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il would like to understand what my blood sugar results actually mean - is it usual to have a low reading after my evening meal - in fact the lowest of the day in the 4's - my readings today were 5.3 on waking, 5.7 after a protein snack at 5pm and 4.5 four hours after dinner of steak, a few chips done in the airfryer, broccoli, coleslaw then a yoghurt. Does the 4.5 indicate that insulin has been correctly dispensed to deal with the blood sugar - surely it would be expected that eating the carbs would generally show a higher reading?
 
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