New and frustrated

[Nayshiftin]

Hi dude. Thank you, I love food too and generally eat quite healthily but it’s the bad things I love the most..bread, sausage rolls, pork pie, cheese etc. I and going to try and be good and consistent but I’m thinking the occasional treat will be ok??

Most say have the odd treat as it’s better than to deprive then give in . Good for you . Keep positive and I am sure you can do it.

 

[Nayshiftin]

It goes up when you fast, because your brain (being clever!) recognises that your cells require glucose to function and hence releases glucose that it has previously stashed away in your liver, and releases some of that into your blood cells to enable the cells to function. Had you actually broken your fast by eating something, it would not have done that. Try not eating something as full of carb as porridge for your brekkie - eg protein like bacon or egg or cheese.

I’m not meat fan so bacon a rasher I’ll get over but can happily walk away . Eggs I had too many I don’t like the smell. Porridge I was told was good . Cheese I adore would eat by the chink
But I’d bad for cholesterol. It’s really bad too when losing weight . So another hour an a quarter to go to lunchtime . Sitting doing shopping list and scratching brain as everything is a no no. I’ll have a sad omelette for lunch . Then maybe not , I used to love omelettes crustless quiche etc but now I just don’t like the smell. What do I want? I don’t know and when I do I’ll be famished and be bad. Trying to add lots of ingredients for soups. Chickpeas I love are they bad ? I could roast those as a snack . Got consultant pm do he’s not going to bd too happy re weight but happy over my progress in movement so hope he says by bye . Then all I need to worry about is diet diet diet . Maybe i need to say my new choice of healthy eating

 

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I’m not meat fan so bacon a rasher I’ll get over but can happily walk away . Eggs I had too many I don’t like the smell. Porridge I was told was good . Cheese I adore would eat by the chink
But I’d bad for cholesterol. It’s really bad too when losing weight . So another hour an a quarter to go to lunchtime . Sitting doing shopping list and scratching brain as everything is a no no. I’ll have a sad omelette for lunch . Then maybe not , I used to love omelettes crustless quiche etc but now I just don’t like the smell. What do I want? I don’t know and when I do I’ll be famished and be bad. Trying to add lots of ingredients for soups. Chickpeas I love are they bad ? I could roast those as a snack . Got consultant pm do he’s not going to bd too happy re weight but happy over my progress in movement so hope he says by bye . Then all I need to worry about is diet diet diet . Maybe i need to say my new choice of healthy eating

There is evidence that reducing carbohydrates will reduce cholesterol and dietary fats do not convert to cholesterol so including healthy fats is not detrimental and doesn't increase blood glucose and will help to stop you feeling hungry.
There are lots of things for breakfast which would be low carb, you could try the protein yoghurt or Kvarg products, low carb, low fat and high protein. Creamy mushrooms, add a dollop of Philadelphia to the mushrooms, you could try making some of the low carb or keto muffins which somebody posted.
My favourite combinations for soups are courgette and brie, broccoli and stilton, leek, celery and pea. butternut squash and red pepper. All very easy, chop, cook and blitz up.

 

[Nayshiftin]

Dietician told me to avoid high calorific foods especially cheese. I

There is evidence that reducing carbohydrates will reduce cholesterol and dietary fats do not convert to cholesterol so including healthy fats is not detrimental and doesn't increase blood glucose and will help to stop you feeling hungry.
There are lots of things for breakfast which would be low carb, you could try the protein yoghurt or Kvarg products, low carb, low fat and high protein. Creamy mushrooms, add a dollop of Philadelphia to the mushrooms, you could try making some of the low carb or keto muffins which somebody posted.
My favourite combinations for soups are courgette and brie, broccoli and stilton, leek, celery and pea. butternut squash and red pepper. All very easy, chop, cook and blitz up.

it Was the dietician who told me I can have one matchbox of cheese a week snd only if desperately hungry. Otherwise choose low fat. All cheese is at least 30% fat. I love it but it does make me fat. I was told butternut squash was a no no too. Anyway the cholesterol book from library will be here soon

 

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Dietician told me to avoid high calorific foods especially cheese. I

it Was the dietician who told me I can have one matchbox of cheese a week snd only if desperately hungry. Otherwise choose low fat. All cheese is at least 30% fat. I love it but it does make me fat. I was told butternut squash was a no no too. Anyway the cholesterol book from library will be here soon

You seem to be rejecting things on what somebody says rather than actually testing the effect they have on your blood glucose. Suggestions can be made on the basis of the relative carb value, for example butternut squash is half the amount of carbs as chickpeas or potatoes.
What would be a typical day's menu for you.

 

[Windy]

I can’t . Fact . I am a notorious yo yo and sometimes I do really well but crisps are my downfall. We’ve ordered fish n chips tonight and you know what I’ll not be able to say no . I have no will power. Tried ever diet to try and always end up stressed. I don’t smoke n drink . I am faithful to hubby but I have been told you’ll have a heart attack . Depression is my biggest problem. See I don’t care to die but have to try shock myself. Someone else had said new start so I’ll try. However I know I’ll see others succeed. I made it to the monthly chat and sat with the group and then felt how could I . No doubt they supported me but I look snd Xmas so fat… I’m old who cares. Need to laugh more . Then it’s no joke but I have little hope to succeed . Sorry

I also love crisps, but I've got none in the house, and that's made it easier. Also, I'm only on my diet for 3 months and knowing that there's only another 10 days of 800 calories a day means I know I can move onto 1500 calories afterwards and gently lose weight. I've also lost and regained weight mulitiple times, but feel like there's more to lose being T2, so that's concentrated my mind.

If you're struggling with depression, can you get your GP to look at medication, if you're not already on it, or counselling? I've suffered with low moods in the past, and they're pretty draining. I don't think I could diet if I was feeling low.

You don't have to do it all at once, maybe do a day a week where you have restricted calories, or do 2 days a week intermittent fasting on 800 calories (or whatever suits you). Then if you're craving crisps, you know it's a day away.
You can make changes, but your head needs to be in the right place first.
I wish there was something I could say that would make it easier for you. We're all here to support you.
Virtual hugs, Sarah

 

[Windy]

Chickpeas I love are they bad ?

I eat chickpeas all the time as I'm a vegetarian and they're a tasty protein rich food and I have them as curry and in hummus with cucumber and tomato to dip in the hummus.
Roasted chickpeas sound delicious They have 13g of carbs per portion, which I don't think is bad. When I've tested my BG after two hours, I don't have a spike with them, so, go for it and cook some, maybe with garlic roasted mushrooms. They may not suit your BG levels, but you won't find out until you try.
Also, roasted kale is lovely, there's a recipe on the BBC food site for it. It's a nice, nibbly snack, or a side dish with something else.

 

[Deleted member 21371]

Dietician told me to avoid high calorific foods especially cheese. I

it Was the dietician who told me I can have one matchbox of cheese a week snd only if desperately hungry. Otherwise choose low fat. All cheese is at least 30% fat. I love it but it does make me fat. I was told butternut squash was a no no too. Anyway the cholesterol book from library will be here soon

Be very careful, many do focus solely on the effects on BG at times.
I found saturated fats pushed my bad cholesterol up, and any calories crashed my weight loss.
As you say, cheese does make me fat, and I used to eat a lot of cheese!
I targeted all my health issues, weight, cholesterol, and diabetes, and worked with my care team with good results.
We didn't focus solely on BG, that was just a part of my route back to good overall health.
Because I actually worked in partnership, I had a lot of good advice, and also good monitoring, so we could measure the results of any changes.

 

[Nayshiftin]

Be very careful, many do focus solely on the effects on BG at times.
I found saturated fats pushed my bad cholesterol up, and any calories crashed my weight loss.
As you say, cheese does make me fat, and I used to eat a lot of cheese!
I targeted all my health issues, weight, cholesterol, and diabetes, and worked with my care team with good results.
We didn't focus solely on BG, that was just a part of my route back to good overall health.
Because I actually worked in partnership, I had a lot of good advice, and also good monitoring, so we could measure the results of any changes.

Travellor May I ask what diet if any you used. I do want to get well. So weight , cholesterol , blood sugar and fitness levels all need to improve.

 

[Deleted member 21371]

Travellor May I ask what diet if any you used. I do want to get well. So weight , cholesterol , blood sugar and fitness levels all need to improve.

I looked at everything initially.
I also worked with an NHS dietician.
I also have a lifestyle that means I didn't want to diet control, as I was active, even though overweight, I had hobbies that took me out, and I wanted to be able to eat whatever food was available, and I like local street food when I travel, so I didn't want restrictions, and didn't want to miss events simply because they had the wrong food, or I wasn't prepared, or I'd stress over the type of food.

First I realised I needed to eat a lot less calories.
So low fat was the first step, as gram for gram it has twice the calories of protein or carbs.
Less calories, with an eye to keeping saturated fats well down later on for cholesterol and heart health.
No sweet stuff, so the donuts had to go! (Along with most other things)
I tested my BG, and concentrated on low GI foods, and swopped out foods my dietician suggested with low GI options. (I agreed the swops up front with her)
A lot of veg, a lot less red meat, more fish, salads, a lot of home made meals.
Stir fries, everything was dry fried.
I also got heavily into chillies for the kick to replace sweet foods.
Home made zero or ultra low fat yoghurt was a staple.
I then did the Newcastle diet to finish the weight loss off, with Tesco shakes.
I also joined a gym.

After that I decided on a Mediterranean style diet, olive oils, minimal saturated fats, lots of veg, fish, chicken, (I don't really like pasta though, but do use it in a tomato and veg lasagne, occasionally with some mince)
I have got into quorn mince recently.
I picked over a lot of different diets, and amalgamated the most sensible bits together, and kept options that still let me carry on living as I wanted to.
The only real rule is look in a mirror, get on the scales, and keep myself in check.
I am back on the shakes at the moment just to lose the lockdown and Christmas gains, but that was by choice really, I knew I was robbing Peter to pay Paul at the time, and I'm also back at the gym now they are open again.

Back onto my normal diet when I'm happy with my weight again. I did realise today that I'm still buying too much food for when the diet stops, as food is now starting to fall out of the freezer when I open it. I'm now banned from shopping.
Conservatively we could probably live for six months on the post Christmas bargains!

 

[Nayshiftin]

I looked at everything initially.
I also worked with an NHS dietician.
I also have a lifestyle that means I didn't want to diet control, as I was active, even though overweight, I had hobbies that took me out, and I wanted to be able to eat whatever food was available, and I like local street food when I travel, so I didn't want restrictions, and didn't want to miss events simply because they had the wrong food, or I wasn't prepared, or I'd stress over the type of food.

First I realised I needed to eat a lot less calories.
So low fat was the first step, as gram for gram it has twice the calories of protein or carbs.
Less calories, with an eye to keeping saturated fats well down later on for cholesterol and heart health.
No sweet stuff, so the donuts had to go! (Along with most other things)
I tested my BG, and concentrated on low GI foods, and swopped out foods my dietician suggested with low GI options. (I agreed the swops up front with her)
A lot of veg, a lot less red meat, more fish, salads, a lot of home made meals.
Stir fries, everything was dry fried.
I also got heavily into chillies for the kick to replace sweet foods.
Home made zero or ultra low fat yoghurt was a staple.
I then did the Newcastle diet to finish the weight loss off, with Tesco shakes.
I also joined a gym.

After that I decided on a Mediterranean style diet, olive oils, minimal saturated fats, lots of veg, fish, chicken, (I don't really like pasta though, but do use it in a tomato and veg lasagne, occasionally with some mince)
I have got into quorn mince recently.
I picked over a lot of different diets, and amalgamated the most sensible bits together, and kept options that still let me carry on living as I wanted to.
The only real rule is look in a mirror, get on the scales, and keep myself in check.
I am back on the shakes at the moment just to lose the lockdown and Christmas gains, but that was by choice really, I knew I was robbing Peter to pay Paul at the time, and I'm also back at the gym now they are open again.

Back onto my normal diet when I'm happy with my weight again. I did realise today that I'm still buying too much food for when the diet stops, as food is now starting to fall out of the freezer when I open it. I'm now banned from shopping.
Conservatively we could probably live for six months on the post Christmas bargains!

Thank you . Some ideas in there .

 

[Mrs Mimoo]

Thank you all for your messages and support. I think I need to get a grip and try and understand what this means for me. A blood sugar monitor is next along along with a copy of ‘carbs and cals’ and hopefully a better appreciation of what I can and can’t eat. Oh well it’s here to stay so best get on with it!

I was diagnosed in November and have been reading up and on this forum. I chose the Newcastle diet to try to loose weight and reverse the HbA1C I had of 55. It's working so far. This forum is v helpful. Low carb and low cal for me at the moment. I have cut all beige food out and am eating meat, fish and eggs and cheese with green veg. The odd walnut and some cheese as a snack. Its a bummer but you can get ahead of it. A

 

[Drummer]

I have had 5 years and more eating meat, fish, seafood, eggs, cheese, cream in my coffee and on desserts, I do make Yorkshire puddings once in a while with water, bread flour, cream, eggs and a pinch of salt but tend to stay away from high carb foods. I usually stay under 11 percent carbs - I do have some bars of 95 percent chocolate in the fridge, but have not touched them for weeks.
My usual limit is 40 gm of carbs a day, and I do not rely on exercise to keep things stable. I go out with various morris sides when allowed, so that is extra, not part of the regime.
I checked what I could eat as soon as I had a meter and found what I needed to avoid for good blood glucose levels. I would still see good levels if I did eat more carbs now, but I don't as I still put on weight very easily, and from long experience know how hard it is to lose weight when not eating low carb.
I am still having to alter clothes as my middle shrinks down and I change shape. For many years before diagnosis I was encouraged to eat low fat and lots of 'healthy' carbs - so my waist was huge. It is such a relief not to have that all the time.

 

[Lucyr]

Hi, Hungry, I am thinking you choose that name as it is how I feel all the time hungry. I am obsessed with food and think maybe there is a link to diabetes and how hungry one can feel.

My endo told me that for some people T2 diabetes can affect your hormones and mean that your body doesn’t produce enough of the “feeling full” hormone leptin, which can mean that you literally do feel hungry all the time.

 

[Drummer]

My endo told me that for some people T2 diabetes can affect your hormones and mean that your body doesn’t produce enough of the “feeling full” hormone leptin, which can mean that you literally do feel hungry all the time.

It might be a result of the 'low fat is good' mantra. I eat full fat foods and am never hungry, even eating just twice a day.
Fats are associated with the endocrine system, which produces hormones.

 

[Deleted member 21371]

My endo told me that for some people T2 diabetes can affect your hormones and mean that your body doesn’t produce enough of the “feeling full” hormone leptin, which can mean that you literally do feel hungry all the time.

There was a discussion on the benefits of exercise and hunger in this thread

https://forum.diabetes.org.uk/boards/threads/nhs-low-calorie-diet-type-2-remission-programme-oviva-aka-newcastle.94882/page-6#

I found it true, and I prefer to exercise, than to subdue my hunger feelings by suppressing them by eating fat.
I enjoy food, and feeling hungry isn't always a bad thing, (although nowadays it's not continuous, so a "reset" may be possible) I enjoy food more if I'm hungry, rather than simply eating for the sake of it.
And, I do concentrate on overall health, not just BG, so eating saturated fats to affect my hunger doesn't seem sensible to me.

While fats may well be associated with the endocrine system, saturated and trans fatty acids seem to affect insulin resistance negatively, and polyunsaturated fatty acids positively, so that's another reason I make the choices I do.

Relationship between fatty acids and the endocrine and neuroendocrine system - PubMed

Significant interactions exist between fatty acids and the endocrine system. Dietary fatty acids alter both hormone and neuropeptide concentrations and also their receptors. In addition, hormones affect the metabolism of fatty acids and the fatty acid composition of tissue lipids. The principal...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

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A mutation in the Lep gene has been associated with obesity because the feedback mechanism for the feeling of 'fullness' is disrupted and that may be the reason in some cases but probably very few. Mostly over eating and eating the wrong foods not helped by all the advertising promoting cheap high carb foods and poor misleading product information.