Nearly one in six Britons would refuse Covid-19 vaccine – survey

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have we forgotten about "gulf war syndrome"many still suffer from the cocktail of vaccines the military were given?
 
Bruce Stephens said:
The one I remember was one kind of avian influenza vaccine causing (or at least associated with) narcolepsy: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/history/narcolepsy-flu.html

(The (in my opinion) stupidity in that case was our parliament's failure to change the rules of our compensatory system. It was a small number of patients with life changing harm at least possibly caused by the vaccine; we should just have paid them sensibly large amounts of money in compensation. Vaccines are really safe, and you don't make people more confident of that by being stingy with compensation on the rare occasions when something seems to have gone wrong.)
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Funnily enough I heard a bloke saying on the Radio he had this as a result of this vaccine.
 
atoll said:
have we forgotten about "gulf war syndrome"many still suffer from the cocktail of vaccines the military were given?
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I worked in War Pensions, latterly specifically dealing with “gulf war syndrome” claims. I’m not allowed to discuss how we dealt with the claims, but I can say that vaccines were hardly ever the basis for such claims. I can’t say any more than that because I’m still constrained by the Official Secrets Act.
 
mikeyB said:
I worked in War Pensions, latterly specifically dealing with “gulf war syndrome” claims. I’m not allowed to discuss how we dealt with the claims, but I can say that vaccines were hardly ever the basis for such claims. I can’t say any more than that because I’m still constrained by the Official Secrets Act.
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Interesting....
Having a quick look at this GWS, seems there were a whole host of possible or perhaps a combination of causes.
Anthrax and botulinum toxin vaccines.
Exposure to sarin and cyclosarin and to oil well fire emissions.
Pyridostigmine bromide pills.

A guy I met last year was saying his friend served in the special forces, he said, if ever there was another world war, it wouldn't be the usual methods of war, it would be some kind of global pandemic from a virus, much easier and less costly, plus you can't easily blame anyone for it.
 
Amity Island said:
Interesting....
Having a quick look at this GWS, seems there were a whole host of possible or perhaps a combination of causes.
Anthrax and botulinum toxin vaccines.
Exposure to sarin and cyclosarin and to oil well fire emissions.
Pyridostigmine bromide pills.

A guy I met last year was saying his friend served in the special forces, he said, if ever there was another world war, it wouldn't be the usual methods of war, it would be some kind of global pandemic from a virus, much easier and less costly, plus you can't easily blame anyone for it.
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we will just have to see which world power comes up with an effective vaccine and vaccinates their military first....or did that already happen recently in china?
 
Amity Island said:
Interesting....
Having a quick look at this GWS, seems there were a whole host of possible or perhaps a combination of causes.
Anthrax and botulinum toxin vaccines.
Exposure to sarin and cyclosarin and to oil well fire emissions.
Pyridostigmine bromide pills.

A guy I met last year was saying his friend served in the special forces, he said, if ever there was another world war, it wouldn't be the usual methods of war, it would be some kind of global pandemic from a virus, much easier and less costly, plus you can't easily blame anyone for it.
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There is a vaccine for anthrax, but there is no such thing as a botulinum toxin vaccine. No nerve gases were used in the Gulf War, so nobody was exposed to sarin. Pyridostigmine tablets are used in nerve agent poisoning, and also in anaesthesia to reverse the effect of muscle relaxants. Folk with myasthenia gravis take it for life, and have done for the last forty years with no adverse effects.

And you can't fight a war with a virulent deadly virus unless you can guarantee a long latent period after infection. That's exceptionally difficult, because the deadlier the virus, the shorter is the period between infection and symptoms. And that is why Ebola is struggling to get out of Africa.

The GWS is not the best place to find solid science.
 
Even if the anti-vaxxers are right and it’s all just a huge conspiracy to implant mind control chips in our bodies I’d still be up for the vaccine. Being a cyborg wouldn’t be that bad as long as I could order the upgrade that gave me laser beam eyes and no insulin resistance!
 
ColinUK said:
Even if the anti-vaxxers are right and it’s all just a huge conspiracy to implant mind control chips in our bodies I’d still be up for the vaccine. Being a cyborg wouldn’t be that bad as long as I could order the upgrade that gave me laser beam eyes and no insulin resistance!
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diabetics and others with core morbidities would be the first for the euthanasia vaccine if eugenics are involved.......
 
Is a core morbidity a fatal prognosis? If so, we all get one of those as soon as we force our way way out of mum and take our first breath, It's a fact - we ARE all going to die.
 
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Is a core morbidity a fatal prognosis? If so, we all get one of those as soon as we force our way way out of mum and take our first breath, It's a fact - we ARE all going to die.
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they have ways to treat that in the womb these days before the defective human even becomes a statistic.
in the heyday of eugenics useless eaters had their tubes tied before they could breed!

The fact that Sweden was the first country where a government-funded eugenics (or ‘race biological’) institute was created has been considered a stain on the reputation of the emerging welfare state, made worse by the fact that a law that legitimized the forced sterilization of thousands was enacted in the 1930s.

"The members of the society were aware that eugenics was politically a tricky subject. They tried to solve the dilemma of mixed political reactions by addressing members of all parties and social groups, emphasizing that questions about biology and social reform were above political or scientific differences."

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atoll said:
they have ways to treat that in the womb these days before the defective human even becomes a statistic.
in the heyday of eugenics useless eaters had their tubes tied before they could breed!

The fact that Sweden was the first country where a government-funded eugenics (or ‘race biological’) institute was created has been considered a stain on the reputation of the emerging welfare state, made worse by the fact that a law that legitimized the forced sterilization of thousands was enacted in the 1930s.

"The members of the society were aware that eugenics was politically a tricky subject. They tried to solve the dilemma of mixed political reactions by addressing members of all parties and social groups, emphasizing that questions about biology and social reform were above political or scientific differences."

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Atoll,
Just had a read of that, makes for a disturbing read, especially considering it's not long ago AND just the first starting point.

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" Sterilization was favoured, as a ‘vaccine’ that would help bring down social and medical costs associated with low genetic quality in a more humane (they really do care) way than internment"

That quote alone gives some indication why we have anti-vaxxers.

It's not made up, it's not ridiculous, it's not stupid, it has and does happen. Who's to say there aren't those same sentiments in leaders or movements today?

What if a vaccine did turn out to have sterilizing effects and it had been given to millions of people?

Let's be honest here, how we would know if people had these sentiments? They're hardly going to be broadcast in the news 24hrs a day or publicised in social media.
 
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Eugenic thinking is at the very core of government policy. Limiting child benefit to only the first two children is an absolutely classic eugenic policy. Nobody noticed, which is rather worrying.
 
My original point was actually sposed to be funny.

There is no such thing as Core morbidity.
 
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