The snake wasn't really a snake of course. And the apple wasn't really an apple either. I guess you couldn't have a bible which described sex directly and in glorious detail of course. Nobody will ever persuade me that this wasn't what the real story was about. 🙂
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Neanderthals ate loads of carbs
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I don't know about that. When we get to 20-ish, most of us voluntarily leave the comfortable family home where everything is provided and paid for to live usually in shared accommodation which is borderline slummy. I was going to say "shithole" but this is a family forum. 🙂
I suppose our ancestors were natural explorers too. Eden is great when you are retired but it can be boring when you are young and trying to find a mate or experience new things.
If that's true, then I'm going to be VERY disappointed. I always liked the idea of the snake and apple thing being a clumsy metaphor for sex.Ah blame the northern european gothic and later the renaissance artists for that. The (translated) text only mentions fruit of the tree of knowledge. Not of the tree of apple
And if it IS true, then I'm not sure I understand why they'd be thrown out of Eden for eating an apple from a tree of knowledge. Were they being punished for trying to learn things? Is that the lesson? Obey without questioning?
Not only do people routinely do this, they actively seek it out.
Not sure why you are differentiating between "new" and "unknown". They both essentially mean the same thing as in "it's both new AND unknown to me personally". That drive to explore seems to have no conscious logic to it other than a strong drive in the individual.
Youtube is packed with people doing just this. The latest craze is buying an old van, doing it up, selling your house and living in the van whilst touring the world. People do this with children and pets as well (not for me though to be honest).
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I think there's a huge qualitative gulf between going on a van jaunt around the modern world and a context in which you have no knowledge of what things are like over the hill, including whether there'll be enough to eat next week & next season.
I think the conventional picture for the spread of modern humans out of Africa has megadroughts hitting Africa from about 100K years ago, pushing people to the coasts and finally over the water - which I think must have been a huge, desperate step (but obviously - who knows?).
Selling your house, quitting your job, not knowing where your next income is coming from or how much it will be? Not knowing if you'll ever be able to afford another house? Worrying about what would happen if you got ill? Or your van broke down in the middle of nowhere? Or where you'd sleep if your van was in the garage being fixed? Or what you'd do if your van got written off or stolen or impounded if you parked for too long somewhere? Or where you'd send your kids regarding schooling? Or how to communicate in a language you don't understand when abroad if something went wrong? Or how to explain away the x year gap on your CV if you needed to work again? Or where you'd go for a shower during a pandemic lockdown? The list of risks is endless.
At least prehistoric man knew how to hunt, make fire etc. Modern man? Would any of us honestly know how to catch a wild animal and cook it properly? Or forage for food in the forest in an emergency?
Of course, it's all relative but I don't there's any significant difference at all to be honest.
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I think all of those first-world risks you list are in a completely different league versus the prospect of starvation which surely drove a little band of humans across the Red Sea and out of Africa.
Anyway, that's what makes sense to me 🙂
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The ‘lesson’ IMO is a misogynistic one - Eve is to blame for the expulsion from Eden. See also Pandora’s Box for a similar theme. So I see both tales as more about the patriarchal nature of those societies.
The ‘fruit of the Tree’ is clearly a cocoa bean. This is why I diligently fill my face with chocolate in the pursuit of ever-more knowledge. Well, when I’m not busy causing the downfall of various civilisations with my womanly weaknesses, that is.
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I blame teenagers.
Always up to something and going off and getting into trouble when they come back home, so one day they think - right - I'll show them - I'll go off to that place me and my mates found last summer where there was water and stuff to eat and see if they want to come, and maybe some girls too and then they can shout all they want 'cos we won't be able to hear them - and we'll be able to have fun.
As for interbreeding with Neanderthals - well - they obviously discovered alcoholic drinks quite early on.
Always up to something and going off and getting into trouble when they come back home, so one day they think - right - I'll show them - I'll go off to that place me and my mates found last summer where there was water and stuff to eat and see if they want to come, and maybe some girls too and then they can shout all they want 'cos we won't be able to hear them - and we'll be able to have fun.
As for interbreeding with Neanderthals - well - they obviously discovered alcoholic drinks quite early on.
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