Neanderthals ate loads of carbs

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Yes surviving wasn’t easy nor was the work, hunting and gathering. Our lifestyles are very different to that of Neanderthal’s .
 
Much better when farming kicked off in the Stone Age. Then relatively few people were needed to produce enough sustenance to allow nearly everybody else to do useless things and so spend their time digging earthworks and shifting huge lumps of stone.
 
The development of larger brains and smaller guts happened long before Neanderthals - and they became extinct.
 
If your origins are european you likely have between 1 and 3% Neanderthal DNA. They haven’t died out, they are still with us, helping us in their little way.

What that tells us is that they were human, and not so different. If we could interbreed and produce fertile offspring, then they were not a different species, in the same way all dogs are able to interbreed. All wolves.

Folk from Asia and the Far East have a similar, slightly larger proportion of Denisovian genes in their DNA.

The only folk who have none of this prehistoric genes are Africans, which is (a) proof that that’s where we all came from and (b) either there is no God, or Adam and Eve were black skinned. And there are no apples that grow naturally in the Rift Valley.
 
mikeyB said:
If your origins are european you likely have between 1 and 3% Neanderthal DNA. They haven’t died out, they are still with us, helping us in their little way.

What that tells us is that they were human, and not so different. If we could interbreed and produce fertile offspring, then they were not a different species, in the same way all dogs are able to interbreed. All wolves.

Folk from Asia and the Far East have a similar, slightly larger proportion of Denisovian genes in their DNA.

The only folk who have none of this prehistoric genes are Africans, which is (a) proof that that’s where we all came from and (b) either there is no God, or Adam and Eve were black skinned. And there are no apples that grow naturally in the Rift Valley.
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They died out as a separate and distinct race though.
Where does it say that the tree with the fruit which conferred the knowledge of good and evil was an apple tree?
It was probable that the people living in Africa were dark skinned, so for a few generations those who decided to see what was over the horizon would have been dark - but there is a control inside humans - certainly the Asians have it, which is like the dial on a toaster. If the mother was producing pigment due to being in the sun, the child she carries will turn up its control and grow up with dark skin. If the mother is not getting much sun, then there is no great concentration of pigment in the blood, and the child grows up paler.
There were families living in Yorkshire where the grandparents were dark and wrinkled as prunes, but despite the first generation marrying within their community, their youngsters were no more than tanned. By now there must be some quite pale Asians.
I think it has been suspected that there was a ginger gene in the Neanderthals, but the Denisovian theory did not prove true when some checking was done - I believe that they were rather disappointed.
 
You refer to Asians, but we are described as white Caucasian. If you made everyone in India white skinned, they would look just like us. They are dark Caucasian. So of course they get paler in Northern climes.

And where has the Denisovian theory not been proved true? The Chinese are almost all lactose intolerant - that’s why there is no milk or cream in traditional Chinese food. That is almost certainly a primitive gene because that is the normal state in all adult animals. It’s only suppressed in the western world since we started farming cows, though it does manage to express itself in some people, who at least can call themselves proper humans. It’s not a disease or allergy, lactose intolerance. It’s normal.
 
Is it really new news, to survive you ate what was edible & available, simple as, never thought any different, surprised anyone would.
 
nonethewiser said:
Is it really new news, to survive you ate what was edible & available, simple as, never thought any different, surprised anyone would.
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There are various carbs-are-evil cults (some keto, paleo, carnivore flavours) which believe, without evidence, that ancestral human populations ate few if any carbs.
 
Eddy Edson said:
There are various carbs-are-evil cults (some keto, paleo, carnivore flavours) which believe, without evidence, that ancestral human populations ate few if any carbs.
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I wonder what they would do in the "end of the world apocalypse" movie.
While I head to the hills for the farming commune, would they hole up at Windsor Safari Park?
"To the lion enclosure, our time is here!"
 
I take a very simple view on these matters, enshrined in the squirrel hypothesis or paradox or parallel or something like that.

There are two brands of squirrel, the grey and the red. The grey variety has got into a position where it is better at surviving than the red and so if left to nature it will eventually dominate the squirrel world and the red variety will die out. The only way the red will survive is if some omnipotent higher being (a sub set of hominid called conservationists) decides they are going to prevent nature taking its course and spends inordinate amounts of resource trying, and probably, failing to do it.

So it was with humanoids and Neanderthals. The humanoids were far better at surviving and so their characteristics dominated and the Neanderthals died out. In those days there was no omnipotent higher being, except maybe God, to try and interfere. If there was a God about, then he must have thought that domination of humanoids was a good thing and this should be taken as clear proof that he must have a different agenda to the conservationist sub set of humanity.

I rest my case, M'lud.
 
travellor said:
I wonder what they would do in the "end of the world apocalypse" movie.
While I head to the hills for the farming commune, would they hole up at Windsor Safari Park?
"To the lion enclosure, our time is here!"
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I think the carnivore guys believe that their meaty diet ensures they are perfectly adapted for any post-apocalypse scenario, tearing weak vegetarian zombie remnants limb from limb like eg Charelton Heston in The Omega Man except stronger & meatier.
 
Eddy Edson said:
I think the carnivore guys believe that their meaty diet ensures they are perfectly adapted for any post-apocalypse scenario, tearing weak vegetarian zombie remnants limb from limb like eg Charelton Heston in The Omega Man except stronger & meatier.
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In reality, I suspect it is more like a Soylent Green scenario.
 
mikeyB said:
You refer to Asians, but we are described as white Caucasian. If you made everyone in India white skinned, they would look just like us. They are dark Caucasian. So of course they get paler in Northern climes.

And where has the Denisovian theory not been proved true? The Chinese are almost all lactose intolerant - that’s why there is no milk or cream in traditional Chinese food. That is almost certainly a primitive gene because that is the normal state in all adult animals. It’s only suppressed in the western world since we started farming cows, though it does manage to express itself in some people, who at least can call themselves proper humans. It’s not a disease or allergy, lactose intolerance. It’s normal.
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The Denisovian/Chinese claim - I have seen it three times now - once before the research, once after, and one a report on the finding - but my memory is not what it was and I can only remember that the report was on the radio - BBC Radio 4 it would have been as I don't listen to anything else and I just remembered I was going to listen to something on Radio 3 last Sunday. I thought getting to 40 was bad enough - 70 is a real bitch. Thank goodness for iplayer.
 
mikeyB said:
(b) either there is no God, or Adam and Eve were black skinned. And there are no apples that grow naturally in the Rift Valley.
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Ah blame the northern european gothic and later the renaissance artists for that. The (translated) text only mentions fruit of the tree of knowledge. Not of the tree of apple :D

I can certainly imagine some verdant part of central Africa from which the first small collection of homosapiens began to venture to be quite Eden-like.
 
everydayupsanddowns said:
Ah blame the northern european gothic and later the renaissance artists for that. The (translated) text only mentions fruit of the tree of knowledge. Not of the tree of apple :D

I can certainly imagine some verdant part of central Africa from which the first small collection of homosapiens began to venture to be quite Eden-like.
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I doubt they would have left, had it been Eden.

We were all refugees once.
 
Humans moved out of Africa in multiple directions because they were human. Able to exploit and manipulate whichever environment they came across.
 
mikeyB said:
Humans moved out of Africa in multiple directions because they were human. Able to exploit and manipulate whichever environment they came across.
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I really don't think people move somewhere unknown unless they have to. Note "uknown" - not the same as "new".
 
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