Naan bread

[Northerner]

Anyone get a big spike from naan bread? I had chicken curry with naan instead of my usual basmati rice tonight. Naan was same carbs as my rice would have been, so dosed according to that, but have just tested 2.5 hours after meal and I've gone to 14.3! I don't normally go above 8 or 9, so I can only put it down to the naan bread which I haven't had for months.😱

 

[Proudspirit]

was it a shop bought one or from take away? i like a naan with a curry, must remember to add the madras recipe on the noticeboard! will do at weekend

Julie x

 

[katie]

I dont routinely check 2 hours after meals but I think naan def give me a spike as I know lots of things do and naan is a particularly bad thing to eat

They are so nice though, whenever I eat curry I have it with naan instead of rice, mmm.

 

[Northerner]

was it a shop bought one or from take away? i like a naan with a curry, must remember to add the madras recipe on the noticeboard! will do at weekend

Julie x

It was shop-bought, from the co-op and tasted very nice! The curry was home-made. I've just checked now 4 hours after and I'm down to 7.4 so it looks like my insulin dose was pretty accurate. So, something to bear in mind as I've got another one in the fridge!😱

 

[AlisonM]

There's sugar and fat (oil, yoghurt and milk) in naan bread, maybe that's why. Oh but I'm going to miss my naans. Maybe try a chapati next time, they're really easy to make. The link is to a recipe for a wholewheat one the poster makes for her diabetic husband.

 

[Northerner]

There's sugar and fat (oil, yoghurt and milk) in naan bread, maybe that's why. Oh but I'm going to miss my naans. Maybe try a chapati next time, they're really easy to make. The link is to a recipe for a wholewheat one the poster makes for her diabetic husband.

Thanks for the recipe Alison! The naan I had was 'medium' on fat and salt, and low in sugar with 75grams carb. Interestingly, I have just taken another reading as I'd got absorbed in something and hadn't taken my lantus - now down to 4.9!

So that means I was

• 4.4 before meal
• 14.3 2.5 hours later
• 7.4 4 hours later
• 4.9 5 hours later

I've had a digestive as I don't like goig to bed below 5. Seems the dose was correct, but does it mean my insulin peaked first, or that my insulin was slow to peak? I did consider a correction at 14.3 but felt confident I'd got the original bolus right and that it was a timing issue. Sigh!

 

[rossi_mac]

mmmm curry!

Must look at some of these recepies!

Any bread fair chance of Mr. Milligan (spike) unless granary which I don;t believe nana is.

I must ask how do you go 5 hours with no more than 1 dig?

I would have to ask about bed time testing, I generally can't be arsed!? Unless I've had a strange evening but going to bed below 5 I would perhaps have a yellow or greenie!!

 

[Mand]

Sounds like you got the carb/ratio correct but it was just the timing. Perhaps try a split dose next time?

Hope you are well!

Mand x 🙂

 

[Becca]

Anyone get a big spike from naan bread? I had chicken curry with naan instead of my usual basmati rice tonight. Naan was same carbs as my rice would have been, so dosed according to that, but have just tested 2.5 hours after meal and I've gone to 14.3! I don't normally go above 8 or 9, so I can only put it down to the naan bread which I haven't had for months.😱

Oh gawd! Naan bread is AWFUL for Rose, haven't figured out the right dosage on the pump yet but last time she spiked up to 20😱, 6 hours after eating She loves it though....

 

[tracey w]

Thanks for the recipe Alison! The naan I had was 'medium' on fat and salt, and low in sugar with 75grams carb. Interestingly, I have just taken another reading as I'd got absorbed in something and hadn't taken my lantus - now down to 4.9!

So that means I was

• 4.4 before meal
• 14.3 2.5 hours later
• 7.4 4 hours later
• 4.9 5 hours later

I've had a digestive as I don't like goig to bed below 5. Seems the dose was correct, but does it mean my insulin peaked first, or that my insulin was slow to peak? I did consider a correction at 14.3 but felt confident I'd got the original bolus right and that it was a timing issue. Sigh!

sounds like the naan peaked first, but then the insulin brought it down after as dose was right. maybe think about taking insulin bit before next time you are having a naan? 75g carbs sound like a big naan, i had one too last night with curry , was a big one too and was 45g and i know that the small ones are 30g. Last night i had curry, bhajis, rice and naan 😱 and split my dose, 75/25 taking the 25% an hour after the first, did not test at two hours but before bed was 9.7 and 7.1 this morning, both a little high but not too bad considering all the food!

 

[Steff]

i've cut out all naan bread now and when i have speg bol i dont have garlic bread either , i seem to have it in the back of my head that bread is bad !

 

[sofaraway]

I love naan bread and have it aswell as rice 🙂 Maybe try injecting 10 minutes before you start eating, the peak of the insulin then may match the spike of the food. If you normally eat rice (I think basmati is the low GI one)with the curry the combination will lower the GI of the whole meal and reduce the spike. Without the rice slowing down the curry, it might have also contributed to the spike to 14 you experienced.

It's not even 8am and 5 fancy a curry with naan right now!

 

[katie]

Well I did a test last night for you Northe, had curry and naan. I was 22 later on, but think the jelly babies I ate contributed considerably to that number. So yeah, not much help... sorry 😉

 

[Northerner]

Well I did a test last night for you Northe, had curry and naan. I was 22 later on, but think the jelly babies I ate contributed considerably to that number. So yeah, not much help... sorry 😉

Thank you Katie, for your strictly-controlled, laboratory-conditions and peer-reviewed test. It will help me enormously when I have my next curry and naan.

🙄😉

 

[katie]

Thank you Katie, for your strictly-controlled, laboratory-conditions and peer-reviewed test. It will help me enormously when I have my next curry and naan.

🙄😉

lol sorry, i'll try harder next time. The jelly babies binge has back fired again today, I just had a hypo and really didn't feel like eating any

 

[VBH]

Erm why all this talk of sugar and fat content? Naan is mostly white flour. i.e. carbs - and fast carbs at that. Depending on the preparation and cooking methods white flour products can be faster than sugar. The volume of carbs from the flour dwarfs the sugar irrespective of any speed difference. Fat slows down BG spikes anyway (but only slightly) so it would be a slight advantage.

Carbs from naan hit fast, from experience and its not surprising given the above. Rice is not much further behind. I suspect that if you had tested earlier, you might have found a much higher peak - although the fat content of the curry itself might have delayed the spike to a later time, rather than reduced it.

Looks like you got the dose right, but its the speed of the carbs thats the problem. Injecting before a meal so that you match the insulin profile to the peak BG release helps, but you could be having so much fast carb that the bolus wouldn't stand a chance of keeping up anyway.

Or to put it another way.....would you have that many carbs in the form of table sugar? White flour products (and potatoes, notably) can be much faster than sugar.

Hope you can work out something that's palatable and tolerable though, Northerner.

 

[Northerner]

Thanks VBH. I must admit, I hadn't really considered the white flour aspect of it, and you're absolutely right that I wouldn't have eaten 75g table sugar (or 15 jelly babies KATIE😱😉)

I suppose it's likely to be a rare treat, given its effect. Actually, you have made me think - does novorapid always show the same profile in a person whatever they eat? That is, does it always peak in me at one hour, for example, and then slowly decline? Does insulin resistance play any part in the peak, or is it all down to the in-built profile of the insulin itself? Hmmm... I think that NR in me lasts for 5 hours, but have never really worked out when it is peaking - just gone off the general rule of 1-2 hours.

 

[MarcLister]

When I have an Indian takeaway I have some naan and I'm always pretty fine when it comes to Levemir shot at night and again OK the next morning. 🙂

 

[Northerner]

When I have an Indian takeaway I have some naan and I'm always pretty fine when it comes to Levemir shot at night and again OK the next morning. 🙂

Yes Marc, this is where it was sneaky! I had the correct bolus and I was nicely in range by the time it came for my lantus - but it had thrown in a big evil spike! If I hadn't happened to have tested I would never have known! I think it has been mentioned here before that there is some evidence that it is these big swings and spikes that can be at the root of complications, so I'm trying to avoid them.

 

[katie]

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I suspect that if you had tested earlier, you might have found a much higher peak

Or to put it another way.....would you have that many carbs in the form of table sugar?

i doubt northe had a higher peak, with his honeymooning pancreas!

Thanks VBH. I must admit, I hadn't really considered the white flour aspect of it, and you're absolutely right that I wouldn't have eaten 75g table sugar (or 15 jelly babies KATIE😱)

in that case I would eat 75g of sugar haha. i cant help it, ok 😱 never buying jelly babies again!

I think eating a naan bread is COMPLETELY different to eating table sugar. and if you eat curry you HAVE to have naan, pita or some other indian bread, it's the law 😎 dont bother with rice though...

hehe!