My friend and the diabetic nurse

[Northerner]

I think this might have been what was mentioned on TV last night. Twins, one overweight and one normal weight, down to their gut bacteria. If you didn't see it try catch up TV - The Truth About Obesity' BBC1 -

Ah! I recorded that, will watch later - all very interesting stuff and often makes me wonder how it has taken so long for this to become a hot research topic - they've known for donkey's years that we all carry kilos of bacteria, of course it's going to affect us! 🙄

 

[Northerner]

There's another book I would recommend - 'The Incredible Unlikeliness of Being' by Alice Roberts, which describes the development of the human foetus and its origins in evolutionary terms. Basically, we start off as a gut, so it has enormous importance to us from the very earliest phase of our lives! 🙂

 

[KayC]

Definitely off topic, but because we've been talking about gut......
I had an endoscopy a year ago🙄, I didn't ask for it as I had and have no problems down there🙄, it's a thing now NHS offer if you are above a certain age.🙂
While the camera was inside me🙄, the monitor was in my face and I could see it myself !😱
That was my first time, and although I had no knowledge about it, I can say the walls of my guts were pink and smooth, and looked very healthy !
I AM BEAUTIFUL INSIDE (AND OUT ) I hope I have a lot of good bacteria in my gut !

 

[Northerner]

Definitely off topic, but because we've been talking about gut......
I had an endoscopy a year ago🙄, I didn't ask for it as I had and have no problems down there🙄, it's a thing now NHS offer if you are above a certain age.🙂
While the camera was inside me🙄, the monitor was in my face and I could see it myself !😱
That was my first time, and although I had no knowledge about it, I can say the walls of my guts were pink and smooth, and looked very healthy !
I AM BEAUTIFUL INSIDE (AND OUT ) I hope I have a lot of good bacteria in my gut !

Another slight drift off topic (sorry @Maz2!) - when I was diagnosed I had an angiogram as they thought I'd had a heart attack. I was a little worried because I am an ex-smoker, although I had quit 15 years earlier. However, I got to see my arteries, and the consultant in his assessment later described them as being in 'pristine' condition 🙂 I also had a Doppler check on my foot pulses at one of my annual foot checks and they were 'tri-phasic', and described by the podiatrist as 'the pulses of a person 20 years younger' 🙂 Most of this is no doubt due to my running over the past 35 years 🙂

 

[Deleted member 21371]

One of my friends has recently been diagnosed pre-diabetic/borderline diabetic (hba1c 45). She recently saw one of the diabetic nurses at her surgery. Unbelievably, she was told off about eating chocolate and spoken to like a child. I asked if she had been told to eat bread, pasta, potatoes and rice etc at every meal. She said she had.

I did advise her it was best not to do this. I have sent her the link to this Forum so I am hoping at some stage she will join.

She is not a patient at my surgery I hasten to add.

"Unbelievably, she was told off about eating chocolate"

I do hope you haven't told her chocolate is good for a diabetic, it's not.
Possibly a small amount of very dark chocolate, but generally, the days of the family size Dairy Milk are over for most of us on here.

 

[Drummer]

Hi, I don't mean to hijack Maz2's thread, but I have to ask !
Although I hate the red part in the quote, I don't understand why the blue part is so bad. This is pretty much same as what my dietician said when I was diagnosed in 2010. (T1 then T2) Her stance was, you should do low carb diet, but you still need starchy food for energy. So should eat small amount of carb with low GI number at every meal. Since then, I've been eating either:

2 small pcs of wholemeal / seeded bread
40g (dry weight) of pasta
1 small potate
3 small new potatoes
OR
3 tsp of brown rice, with every meal.

My question is if low carb diet has become more drastic and now it is almost NO starchy food allowed? or not at every meal? I must admit that I haven't updated my method / knowledge about diet for a while since my doctor said the diagnosis with D was a mistake. (But my BS is high again, that's why I'm here on the forum) 🙂

The low carb diet has always been about eating low carb foods - and I for one cannot eat bread, pasta or potatoes, nor any cereals without my BG levels going high and staying high.
Many dieticians doctors and nurses will blithely recommend that I eat such things - and they have been doing so for the last 40 some years, despite me saying that I need to eat low carb to control my weight, and then being diagnosed with diabetes and finding that those same foods are the ones which increase my BG levels. They are the same foods used for fattening farmyard animals, so it is hardly surprising. I would far rather eat some low carb veges or salad stuff anyway - full of micronutrients and far bulkier so I feel satisfied faster.
I don't dispute that some diabetics can cope with small amounts of high starch foods - I'd rather have a meal and then dessert, which would not be possible eating that way.

 

[Deleted member 21371]

The low carb diet has always been about eating low carb foods - and I for one cannot eat bread, pasta or potatoes, nor any cereals without my BG levels going high and staying high.
Many dieticians doctors and nurses will blithely recommend that I eat such things - and they have been doing so for the last 40 some years, despite me saying that I need to eat low carb to control my weight, and then being diagnosed with diabetes and finding that those same foods are the ones which increase my BG levels. They are the same foods used for fattening farmyard animals, so it is hardly surprising. I would far rather eat some low carb veges or salad stuff anyway - full of micronutrients and far bulkier so I feel satisfied faster.
I don't dispute that some diabetics can cope with small amounts of high starch foods - I'd rather have a meal and then dessert, which would not be possible eating that way.

I reversed my diabetes with the Newcastle Diet. So not entirely agreeing with the "small amounts"
But I do realise it's not a diet everyone can manage, so low carb suits some, if you can't do 800 calories a day.
But, if you can manage it, you can enjoy a decent starter, meal, and a desert to be honest.