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My blood sugars just won't go down!!!!

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Ellowyne

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I am waking upto 13 plus for my fasting reading, and it seems the more Levimer I pumped into me the higher they go!...Not eaten since 10 am this morning, busy day, just about to grab a portion of chips because so hectic at home, my readings pre dinner is alrady 13.5!!!....I am hungry and need to eat quick now...Will have to load myself with Novo for dinner...Just can't take this anymore and DSN says can help no more...See, that's why I AM A LOST CAUSE!! No one can help me, guess I just should't eat at all!!!! Then I'd be ok!!! Just so bloody fed up with my life, no one can hear the pain I am going through...Just want to give up.
 
I hear you Ellowyne, I'm so sorry that you are having such problems. I wonder if it would be possible for you to be referred to a different consultant? I can't imagine my consultant just giving up like this and I don't believe anyone can be a lost cause. I know it is very difficult, but please don't lose hope, I will wrack my brains to see if I can think of something that can help - you are NOT alone!
 
Oh dear Ellowyne, I'm sure your not a lost cause 🙂

I really don't know what to suggest as I know nothing about the insulin that you are on. You have had a hard time and coped with all that so well, far better than, I suspect, I would have! We are always our own worst enemies and critics at times arent we?
Not quite sure what your DSN means by saying that she doesnt know how to help you, what on earth is she there for? Try to stay strong and you will get things under better control I'm sure.

I do hope there is someone on here that can help with better advice than I, take care,

much love

Shirl
 
Hi Ellowyne, sorry you've still not got it under control. How much Levemir are you up to now? whats the reading at bedtime? I used to have to take 60 in the morning and 80 in the evening, but didn't have a rapid acting insulin.
 
ellowyne i hear you hun ...xx hugsss all the way to you on the island ...you are a true mum but only human xx good luck sweetie x
 
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Ellownye please don't give up. You are a lot stronger than you give yourself credit for, you have an awful lot on your plate.

I have had DSNs who have at times said they can't help me. On one level it made me feel that I wasn't being daft for not figuring things out but on another it got me really upset that there wasn't a way forward.

Its really wrong - if the DSN doesn't have an idea then he/she should see if their colleagues have any suggestions, and if the DSNs don't then they should speak with the consultant. Its hard to be assertive when you have had so many knocks as you are scared to try again - so I wonder if you have a friend who could go with you to the Dr and help you to explain how hard things are - and how you feel that people have given up for you. Explain about the nurse - some GPs will call clinics on your behalf and lay down the law - hopefully yours will.

Not sure I have been any help - but please keep posting - just venting whilst it won't cure anything may help dissipate some of your anxiety.
 
You're not a lost cause Ellowyne!! Your body is just playing hard to get!

I believe something has changed so working doses out again is a good thing.

May I suggest you consider going back to basics? Do you think you could find out about basal testing to get your Levemir dose right and your carbohydrate to Novorapid insulin ratios?

I'm sure someone at the clinic can tell you these things or perhaps one of the insulin dependent people on here could explain for you.

Don't give up! We're here for you!
 
Is this really a DSN? with a university degree in Diabetes and working 100% of their time with diabetics and nothing else? If so where did she train so I can bomb it ......

You are not doing yourself any favours whatsoever by missing meals and then hitting yourself in the face with half a ton of carbohydrate no protein no veg no fruit and nothing else.

Please don't.

The pre-war rule for a diabetic diet was little and often - and I see no reason why going back to basics wouldn't work to get you settled into a routine. Bloody tedious though it is - you sometimes need to have a boring existence for a bit to sort the wood out from the trees, see the light at the end of the tunnel etc.

Give yourself some TLC, take a deep breath, forget today entirely and start again tomorrow morning.
 
Thank You

Thank you, from the bottom of my heart, I just so much needed to come here and I can not tell you how much your messages mean to me...At this time I am feeling so low and lost...I am alone, even my family makes NO mention of my Diabetes, no one cares and inside, I feel so invisible.

I am sitting here sobbing and my heart is aching so much, I miss my counsellor, I can't see her anymore, good old cutbacks!...So now, I am truly alone. My life revolves around caring for my son Danni, preparing meds and making sure he takes them and eats the right foods...He is still on Steroids for his Crohns and he is gaining weight, it is all so hard and complicated and I blame myself for not getting things right!

I feel like everything is MY fault, all my wrong doing and my life battle with weight and mental health...Now I have a son, with very complex mental health problems and...weight gain!!

Well, I ate the chips and pumped 28 units Novo into me...I usually take appox 25 with any dinner...Now tonight, I have also upped my Levimer, from 36 to 38...2 hours after my chips, reading is 10.3!!...I was 13.5 pre meal, so I guess the extra Insulin helped.

My DSN is the head DSN at the hospital...She has spoken to my Consultant and they 'Both' aggre that given my other health issues, there is Nothing else medication wise that they can offer me...My Gall stones are still active, but because of my weight, blood pressure and diabetes, surgery is very dangerous for me. I am stuck in this cycle that I just can't seem to break free of.

More insulin means more weight gain, I can barely walk these days with the pain in my back and all my body cramps...I have fibromyalgia and my body aches and muscles contract, it is so very painful. Apparently, the pain medication I am on, of which I gave a few, the DSN says they don't help with blood sugars, but I need them...You see, I can understand why htye have given up, what else can they do?....and, apart from not eating...what els can I do?


I do know chips was not great to have, but, sometimes I get so disorganised and shopping gets messed up...it was just a day that has been hectic and chaotic.

So much has gone on since Danni was unwell, and I have had to put up with some terrible behaviour from family members...I do not really have a support network, and the little I had has just gone. It is all very unfair and complicated...I feel so stressed and always feel in a constant state of anger.

I hate to come here and dump my feelings, but, I don't have anywhere else to go to...Inside, I feel I might die very soon, I feel so scared, no use phoning my DSN, not after my last appointment and all that was said, there is no point.

But as for all of you, people that are strangers to mea, you have shown me such kindness and...yes, I know you hear me, I see that in your messages, thank you all so much.

Ellowyne x
 
My heart bleeds for you, I can only hope that your friends in this forum will give you the strength to carry on the fight both for yourself and for your son.

Have you seen this article on changing you levemir or lantus dosage:http://medweb.bham.ac.uk/easdec/prevention/lantusnotes.htm
It recommends an increase of 6 units if you are above 10 in the morning.

It strikes me that you would be better increasing your insulin to get better control and that should then improve your health and hopefully make you feel better about yourself.
Most of us understand the difficulty of coping with Diabetes and excess weight and high blood pressure and .... but others do not see how hard it is.
Keep trying and good luck.:D
 
Wish I could wave a magic wand for you Ellowyne
 
Hi Ellowynne.

Just trying to be completely practical, you say the more levemir you put in, the higher your BG goes.

I wonder if you may be injecting too much, having hypos, and then your liver is pumping out glucose ?

Also, stress will generally make anyone insulin resistant and I don't have to be a doctor to know you are very stressed. I'm afraid I don't know of any easy ways of taking the stress away but it may explain why your BGs are always higher than they used to be.

Keep checking in and maybe writing your worries down, whether we can find solutions or not, will help you to destress just a little. Then perhaps you'll be able to prove your DSN completely wrong (we know she is anyway) 🙂

Rob
 
From one fibro sufferer to another.

You are NOT to blame for your son's condition, nor for not getting things totally right for him or for yourself every single time. No-one who has not lived in the fibro-fog darkness can know just how debilitating it is. You cannot concentrate, you feel lost, alone in crowds, your family feel like aliens, you either don't hear or misinterpret what they say, and you suffer from bleak depression that sears the soul. You cannot ask for help: the words get lost between your brain and the outside world, in the fog bank. And the constant pain means you lose sleep. Sleep deprivation over weeks and months and YEARS gnaws into you. It's an ever-spinning cycle. And that is compounded by the diabetes and other health issues.

It's a horrid, vicious cycle, but there are ways to break out. They are not easy, I won't try kidding you. You'll need to be strong, and your own best and most serious tough love friend... These are the things that helped me:

First thing is diet: you need a properly balanced diet. Scarfing down chips feels fine in the short term, but it'll aggravate the gall stones and the weight, and isn't the best thing for the diabetes. I ended up in hospital on a drip for a week. A cocktail of power-crazed painkillers and antibiotics, and saline. We used to eat in a more ad hoc way. Now I plan meals: I plan for a week ahead. I start with dinners, and then fill lunches and breakfasts in round them. And I make my shopping list from the menu. Once I've added in things like loo roll and washing powder and stuff, I hand the list to the husband and he does the shopping. That way I don't have to drag my fibro-pain body and fibro-fog head round the hell that is Asda/Sansbury's/Tesco/Aldi... It also means that I have everything I need to cook the meals to hand, and I don't actually need to think about food until it's time to cook it without being tempted by daglo cake and mountains of chocolate. If you can get a partner of friend to either shop for you, or do it online, it'll take a lot of the pressure off you. I don't always manage to STICK to the planned menu, but having the basic framework helps. Especially on chaotic days! The plan helps my weight loss, my IBS control, and the BG levels of my two menfolk.

Then there's exercise. Exercise helps in several ways: it helps with raised endorphin levels, which make you feel better. It'll help get you moving, which will eventually help with the general ability to move. It'll help with the spiraling insulin levels (though I can't predict how much: that depends on several factors in addition to just the physical effort). It'll help with the weight. Start gently, with a few minutes of stretching exercises. It WILL hurt to start with. It's always going to hurt a bit, but you needn't let it stop you. The trick is to find the balance between getting fit which will make the pain less and ease the stiffness, and setting off a serious flare up. I find swimming is a great help as it stretches, tones, and strengthens the whole body. And doing a few minutes of stretching exercises in bed before I get up in the morning makes that a bit easier. I tend to keep going even if I do trigger a flare because they happen less often and are less severe when I am exercising regularly and am fitter. But everyone is different, and you have to find the right level for you.

Being organized: I find that being organized over the main points of the day - stuff like regular meal times, planned weekly menus, and a calendar of things everyone is doing (like cadets, exams, Weight Watchers, quilting group... ) - helps me not to get lost in the fog. And I set alarms to remind me of appointments and events. I keep my calendar/diary on my computer, so it bongs at me, or beeps, and sometimes sends me an email! I can set it to remind me the day before, an hour or so before, and in time to get to appointments. And I can set it to signal the difference between a work appointment, a social engagement, a home regular like cadets and weigh watchers, and I can colour code for different members of the family. Being organized helps to relieve the stress. That allows me to relax a bit and THAT eases the fibro.


I am lucky that I have very understanding and supportive siblings and friends, and a loving husband. But they still can't see inside my head or hear the crawling mess that my thoughts become when the fog clamps down. Without that support, you are going to have a much tougher time, I do realize. So the very FIRST thing you need to do is acknowledge your own worth, your own value. It's the old thing, but you need to learn to love and value yourself, to acknowledge the person you are, and the huge added value you bring to your son's life.

Baby steps, love. Start small and you will get there. Remember how to eat an elephant? Yup, one bite at a time.

And tell me to mind my own business if that helps, too.
 
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