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Kassy

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Hi I'm very new to all this I had an mot the other day and nurse said my blood tests came back with my glucose tiny bit hi and as my mum had stage 2 I need to be careful.
I'm quite good to be honest I don't gave a sweet tooth but like crisps and the odd wine lol
I've been given a sheet of foods not and to eat but I'm really confused.. Says full fat milk and yogurt better I've had semi for years.. Porridge with honey every morning but apparently all this is wrong so I need a bit of help?
 
You know when you went to have the blood taken that the tests were all done on, what time of day was it and had you had anything to eat (eg the porridge and honey) before you went?
 
I think was morning and I definitely had breakfast not sure if was porridge but I mostly have porridge or like special k.. When I got tests back doc said I was ok and did ask if had breakfast then said all OK as sugar bit high prob as had breakfast but nurse said glucose was bit hi... I'm confused lol
 
I think was morning and I definitely had breakfast not sure if was porridge but I mostly have porridge or like special k.. When I got tests back doc said I was ok and did ask if had breakfast then said all OK as sugar bit high prob as had breakfast but nurse said glucose was bit hi... I'm confused lol
The list your nurse has given you seem more with update thinking. You need to get exact figures as you may find your Dr. Is saying OK but maybe not quite so.
 
The list your nurse has given you seem more with update thinking. You need to get exact figures as you may find your Dr. Is saying OK but maybe not quite so.
Ok... Can you help with the milk situation.. Is it best to have full fat then semi and yogurt?
Also is there any good like keto plans that are free x
 
Ok... Can you help with the milk situation.. Is it best to have full fat then semi and yogurt?
Also is there any good like keto plans that are free x
Yes and I suggest have a look around the forum at differnt posts.
I personally don't know about Keto as I do not do, again having a read around the forum posts may help.
 
Are you on Facebook? @NotWorriedAtAll has a page about Keto, she may pop in by here now I've tagged her xx
 
Hi and welcome from me too.

If you have been told that yopu are at risk of diabetes then your Blood Glucose (BG) levels are slightly raised and the bllod test they took for your "MOT" which was likely an HbA1c test would be somewhere between 42 and 47.... 48 or above gets you a diabetes diagnosis and below 42 is normal. That 42-47 range is sometimes referred to as "pre diabetes" or "at risk of diabetes".

What you need to know is that all carbohydrates break down ito glucose in the digestive system and are then absorbed into the blood stream. Your body is showing signs with that raised HbA1c reading that it cannot cope with the level of carbs you are currently eating, so the simple answer is to eat less of them. Carbs are sugars and starches, so there are the obvious sugars in refined sugar as well as in sweets, cakes and biscuits and honey and maple syrup etc but also fructose in fruit is a sugar and lactose in milk.... Interestingly whole milk has less carbs than skimmed and cream has even less carbs than milk, so for us diabetics choosing the whole milk or creamy versions is better for us.... many of us have double cream in our morning coffee instead of milk for this reason. There is another advantage to fat.... it helps to stabilize your BG levels and provides slow release energy and it takes longer to digest than carbs so it keeps you feeling full for longer... which means that you don't want to eat so much..... it is now suspected that the switch to low fat products may in part be responsible for the diabetes and obesity epidemic we are now experiencing because when they removed the fat from these products, they replaced it with sugar and starches to improve the texture and flavour of what would otherwise be unappetising, so not only have we lost the fat which would have kept us from feeling hungry but they added in more carbs which make us feel hungry 2 hours later, so we are constantly wanting to snack and eat more.

I am delighted that your nurse has suggested full fat milk and yoghurt.... make sure to choose an unprocessed yoghurt like Greek Natural yoghurt and then have a few berries (lowest carb fruits are berries and they have a lot of flavour so you only need a small amount to get a big taste hit and seeds are really good. Most NHS advice is still to recommend low fat for diabetics which is not helpful. It is not clear if the nurse also recommended porridge with honey or advised against it? Personally the carbs in porridge hit my blood stream within 20 mins and spike my BG levels badly and as a beekeeper I can tell you that honey is almost as pure carbs and granulated sugar. There are other health benefits to honey but it is not a good choice for us diabetics and despite keeping bees myself, I no longer eat honey because of that. Also beware of dried fruit as it is also loaded with fructose.
Starchy carbs are things made from grains, like bread and pasta and couscous and pastry and breakfast cereals including porridge and rice and potatoes and root veg like carrots and parsnips and sweet potatoes.
I am not saying that you should not eat any of these foods but be very aware of portion size and cut back on them a bit. You are only at "risk of diabetes" so making some small changes to reduce your portion size of these foods should bring your levels back into the normal range.

Good luck and anything you don't understand, just ask.
 
Hi thanks for that reply
So I shouldn't have porridge?
I'm understanding the milk thing now but what about almond milk is that OK and rye bread or wraps?
 
Hi thanks for that reply
So I shouldn't have porridge?
I'm understanding the milk thing now but what about almond milk is that OK and rye bread or wraps?
We can't say for certain as people's tolerance for various foods can vary from person to person, as many find porridge is not for them as seem to tolerate.
 
Not saying you shouldn't have porridge but it is a carbohydrate rich food. Porridge oats are approx 63% carbohydrate. Some people's digestive system takes a while to release the glucose from oats and other people like me, manage to break them down nearly as quickly as sugar. Coarser products like jumbo oats should be a bit better than the likes of highly processed instant porridge oats like Ready Brek.
What many of us do is use a BG meter to test our response to different foods to see which ones cause us the most problems and are best avoided and which we can get away with or what sort of portion size our body can cope with and it can be highly individual. Porridge is a contentious one because it is supposed top be Low GI, meaning it releases it's glucose slowly, but the GI system is an average rating, so most people will break it down more slowly but there will be a number of people like me who have problems with it. I would suggest you half your portion size and bulk it out with Greek yoghurt and a few berries and seeds to make it more filling.

I am not going to comment on almond milk as I have grave reservations about the almond production industry and it's impact on the environment..... much more so than diary. As regards the other products you mention, you need to look at the nutritional information on the back of the packaging for the total carbohydrate content and compare with other similar products. Some people choose low carb breads like Bergen or Livlife. I haven't eaten bread for over a year so I can't really comment. Maybe once a month I have a sesame Ryvita but that is about it.

As I said, being "at risk of diabetes" means that you just need to reduce your portion size and bulk your meals out with low carb items to fill you up. Salads, green leafy veg, eggs, cheese, meat, nuts, seeds. Coleslaw is a good one. I love cheese coleslaw and it is tasty and filling and the higher fat content keeps me feeling full... just had a big plate of salad for lunch with a boiled egg and a big dollop of cheese coleslaw and a drizzle of balsamic vinegar.
 
OK thank you... Its all werid and especially when you have 2 growing boys in the house lol
 
Hi thanks for that reply
So I shouldn't have porridge?
I'm understanding the milk thing now but what about almond milk is that OK and rye bread or wraps?
Hi Kassy,

If you look on the nutritional value panel on the food you buy look to see what the g of carbohydrate per 100g is - always look for this value and then you will always be comparing carb content percentage for every food.

The lower that figure the less likely that food will cause you problems. Ignore the sugar content for now. Just concentrate on the carb content because that will include the sugar content - but the overall carb content is the one to watch out for.

Once you know the carb grammes per 100g then you need to work out how heavy an amount you are likely to eat - you will only need to weigh the amounts of the food you eat for a while before you know roughly how much you eat of them - as you are only headed diabetes way and not a type 1 (they need to measure food carefully and take medication accordingly to match their carb intake accurately - type 2 and people who a pre-diabetic don't need such a fine tuned regime) then you can start to work out how many carbs you eat usually.

I would suggest recording weights and carb content in a diary for a few days.

You will quickly see where the carb grammes rack up.

You don't need to go full keto but eating a lower carb content menu from now on will lead to you enjoying your food more and letting your body settle into a healthier way of living.

Full fat milk and yoghurt are definitely better than skimmed.

In the fifties and sixties when my mum was young most diets were about cutting out potatoes and starchy foods and eating higher fat foods so you felt fuller on less bulk. They promoted eating plenty of things like broccoli, cabbage, leafy greens and citrus fruit and full fat dairy and eggs and fish and fatty cuts of meat.

Then that was all sneered at in the seventies and eighties and so on and we were all encouraged to eat polyunsaturated fats, ditch the eggs and stuff our faces with carbs. Surprise surprise - obesity became rife.

Now we are back where my mum was in the 1950s and 60s - only now we have the science to back it up.
Porridge is okay if you are a building site labourer or working digging in fields or running marathons every day or if you know exactly how many carbs it is and you are about to use them all in a workout or run or something but it isn't good for someone who leads a typical 21st century lifestyle. Basically it is a powerful fuel for someone who is going to use it to do a lot of activity.

It is okay if you have a very tiny bit as a treat - but seriously porridge isn't my idea of a treat. It is ok for people who are type 1 and can factor it in for their medication if that is what they want to do.

Keto recipes come in handy to provide you with alternative low carb versions of high carb foods.
BUT - they are only good for you if you are eating a keto regime most of the time. Because they rely on fat as the main source of fuel and they are often high in salt also.

If you are on a keto lifestyle it needs to be stuck to because it relies on your body changing over from using carbs as fuel to using fat as fuel. Once your body does that you need to drink more liquids and you need to make sure you are getting all your nutrients and you have to be sure you are getting enough fat in your diet or your body will use protein instead and then you might have health problems. Keto combined with calorie control is a tricky thing to do and needs careful handling to avoid problems.

Some people do better on a keto diet (and I use the word diet not as in a slimming diet but in the same way as I'd say a cow has a grass based diet and a panda has a bamboo based diet) and I am one of them as I also have PCOS and eating keto is helpful for that as well as diabetes.

But I went keto to fix my health and not to lose weight. I lost a bit very gradually while not watching my calories at all and eating cream cakes etc (keto ones of course) and now after about two years I am starting to do a lot more physical activity without changing my eating habits and I will lose my overweight a bit faster now. But I am doing more activity because I enjoy it and I am now healthy and fit enough to do it after a couple of years of eating food that helped my health.

I hope that makes sense.

So whatever the food it is or drink - look at the nutritional content label for carbohydrates per 100g
Work out what you are eating now.
I think a low carb day is between 70g and 130g a day.

So if you find foods you like you can work out which ones and how much you can eat to give you that total.

I am on keto so my carb allowance a day is 20g - but that isn't a problem because I have all sorts of recipes using fibres and fats and proteins to make bread, cakes, pancakes etc etc and I eat a wide variety of fruit and veg - just sparingly so I get all the nutrients and vitamins and minerals I need.

It is even easier to have a full and varied diet on a low carb diet but then you need to be a bit more careful about not overdoing the fats because on a low carb diet you will still be using carbs for fuel.
 
I'm slowly learning.. I just wish I could just get told what to eat lol... Thankyou x
 
I'm slowly learning.. I just wish I could just get told what to eat lol... Thankyou x
It’s useful to keep a diary or use an app online to see how many carbs you are eating a day then gradually reduce them or swop them for a lower carb option. eg I have stopped potatoes and rice for cauliflower rice, celeriac mash and celeriac chips
 
Can you suggest a good app?

Lots of forum folks like Carbs and Cals, which is available as a printed book and also as an app. It gives a handy way to estimate portion sizes as well as the nutritional info of lots and lots of different foods.
 
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