Metformin reduction.

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Hi have been to GP today who wanted to reduce my Metformin to once daily, I have been on twice daily recently and I’m worried that the reduction will have a adverse effect on blood glucose levels.
How have others found reducing their Metformin ...?
 
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Hi have been to GP today who wanted to reduce my Metformin to once daily, I have been on twice daily recently and I’m worried that the reduction will
have a adverse effect on blood glucose levels.
How have others found reducing their Metformin ...?

My non-expert guess is that Metformin is doing sod-all for your BG at your current levels.

I dropped it last year after HbA1c had been at "normal" levels for several months. I noticed post-prandial BG levels went slightly higher for a few days & then settled back to previous levels and stayed there. My last HbA1c a few weeks ago was 5.3% / 34, continuing a slowly declining trend from 40 in September 2018 (ignoring a spurious-looking 27 result in May last year).

Met acts mainly by increasing insulin sensitivity, and the biggest part of that liver insulin sensitivity. One of the main features of T2D is reduced liver insulin sensitivity => liver produces too much glucose, particularly overnight/when fasting => high waking BG levels.

Once your waking BG is down to a "normal" level, it's likely that yr liver has fixed its insulin sensitivity probs (typically by losing weight and clearing the liver of fat), and there's nothing much for Met to do on that front.

The other Met impact is to improve muscle insulin sensitivity, which you can mainly see in post-prandial BG levels. Met can continue to play a role in that, but it might not be that important, particuarly if yr post-prandial levels aren't very high.

There's also a bunch of research showing opposite effects: in some people Met can actually interefere with insulin sensitivity improvements from exercise. From experimenting, I think that was the case with me, which is the a reason why I dopped the Met.

Anyway, that was my experience & understanding. Why not just try dropping it and experimenting for a week or so? You can always go back.
 
I see you are being tested every three months, which is thorough as I understand procedures. Your numbers are really very good and I can see why they want to reduce your medication. If I were in your shoes, I would happily accept this and give myself a wee pat on the back. Your lifestyle is clearly coping well with your condition. If a reduction in medication leads to deterioration in your numbers, I’m sure they will adjust it accordingly. I would go with the flow without hesitation.
 
Like Eddy, my BG rose slightly in the days after I stopped taking it but then dropped back. They have since been lower than when I was taking it.

My DN did say that I should come back if my average went back above 8.0 but I didn't get anywhere near that.

Martin

How do you actually calculate your average? I assume you are basing it on finger prick data. I tend to only test before and after my main meal.
 
Metformin is not a drag the glucose out of the system type drug, so stopping taking it is unlikely to have long term effects.
It stops the liver doing things, so a short term change as the liver recovers its own governance again is probably to be expected.
 
Hi @Martin9 we are in the same boat! James now reduced from 4 metformin to just 1 am as his Hba1c down from 64 to 36 and 34. He tests few times a week and we have seen a couple of post prandial in 8s which has worried me too. However we are persevering and carefully watching carbs ( he has lost a lot of weight since September) and hoping this will settle down. Most readings during day in 4s... best wishes
 
Hi @Martin9 we are in the same boat! James now reduced from 4 metformin to just 1 am as his Hba1c down from 64 to 36 and 34. He tests few times a week and we have seen a couple of post prandial in 8s which has worried me too. However we are persevering and carefully watching carbs ( he has lost a lot of weight since September) and hoping this will settle down. Most readings during day in 4s... best wishes
I was enjoying being able to have the odd treat on 2 x Metformin , I suspect I won’t be able to have them now, thats the punishment of having good BG control..I’m a victim of my own success...
 
I was enjoying being able to have the odd treat on 2 x Metformin , I suspect I won’t be able to have them now, thats the punishment of having good BG control..I’m a victim of my own success...
I understand your apprehension - but as others have said, sure your healthcare team will monitor it. Ideally I think most of us would prefer to be drug free and control with diet, but then knowing the meds have helped it is trusting your body to do that.
I would express your concerns to your health team and pat yourself on the back for becoming a victim of your own success. 😉🙂
 
Hi @Martin9 we are in the same boat! James now reduced from 4 metformin to just 1 am as his Hba1c down from 64 to 36 and 34. He tests few times a week and we have seen a couple of post prandial in 8s which has worried me too. However we are persevering and carefully watching carbs ( he has lost a lot of weight since September) and hoping this will settle down. Most readings during day in 4s... best wishes
Debbie - I have read about James and his weight loss and HbA1c success over the past few days. That's wonderful news. It is good his numbers continue to do well.
 
Hi Martin 🙂

Congratulations. That they want to reduce your metformin is brilliant news.
I came off mine as soon as I could and if anything my blood sugar levels improved without it.

I even did an experiment after coming off it and took one to see what happened and my blood sugar levels actually rose!!

So I would not worry a moment about reducing the level and look forward to maybe coming off them entirely thanks to good lifestyle changes.
 
I was enjoying being able to have the odd treat on 2 x Metformin , I suspect I won’t be able to have them now, thats the punishment of having good BG control..I’m a victim of my own success...
But Metformin doesn't drag glucose out of your bloodstream - if you can manage a particular food or intake of carbs on two tablets there is no reason you won't manage it on one - not unless you start to eat more carbs all the time.
 
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