Lockdown ending could trigger anxiety for many, say UK charities

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Groups 1-9 is lots of people
Over half the population, given we have given vaccines to 48% so far, with many more to come 😱 And people are still at risk in the lower categories :( In fact, if the transmission isn't suppressed and kept low another variant might put us all at risk again :(
 
And all the while we get ourselves vaccinated, nearly every country in Europe is reporting a third wave of infection. If we don’t close our borders, we will almost certainly encounter a new variant. Will the government do that? No. They didn’t in the first wave, thus importing more infection.

Scotland might. Wales might. But England? No. If they do, it will be months too late.

This virus won’t go away, it’s already endemic. I won’t care, I’ve been immunised and I’m confident that the vaccine can be easily fettled to cope.
 
the lockdown for me really doesn't bother me as all i do is go out get essentials then back home and that is all i have done even when Tee was alive. however saying that i was talking to someone about this lockdown and it was bothering them trouble is i didn't really know what to say. the strange thing when we got talking we have both taken up playing and learning instruments, me the guitar and the lady a piano.
 
And all the while we get ourselves vaccinated, nearly every country in Europe is reporting a third wave of infection. If we don’t close our borders, we will almost certainly encounter a new variant. Will the government do that? No. They didn’t in the first wave, thus importing more infection.

Scotland might. Wales might. But England? No. If they do, it will be months too late.

This virus won’t go away, it’s already endemic. I won’t care, I’ve been immunised and I’m confident that the vaccine can be easily fettled to cope.
Mikey B,

You can rest assured, Britain was better prepared for a pandemic than most other countries in the world and now we are leading the way!

Has anyone not come to any other conclusions (rather than them just being hopeless) on why everything is in such a bloody mess?
 
When some of Italy's hospitals (by all accounts rather better equipped than ours) started to collapse under the strain of this new infection last February/March, obviously the Italian government was forced to act. Prior to that I'm sure they could have spent more money on (say) helping to control malaria, but they probably feel much less pressure from their electorate to do that. Similarly when it hit some of ours.

And then it's really not much of a choice: do you let your healthcare system collapse under the strain (and thus become enormously unpopular, at best) or do you do stuff to try and control that. (And sure, make errors while doing that, repeatedly.)

Could Italy (or we) have done different things and avoided some of the restrictive NPIs? Quite likely: an obvious one would be to help people who felt sick to isolate themselves. But the government has barely done anything on that even a year later, and it's still just as important.

The idea of "focused protection" (helping to keep vulnerable people relatively isolated) seems like a good approach until you look at the practicalities. Conveniently we have an idea (though an imperfect one) of who (if infected) is most likely to die (they're groups 1-4 of JCVI's list) and also (about as important) who's most at risk of needing hospital treatment (groups 1-9). Groups 1-9 is lots of people. And even a subset of groups 1-4 (those in care homes) are apparently very hard to keep safe, even if you have significant restrictions outside, so surely it would be a disaster not to have such restrictions.

(I don't intend to defend the government's every action. I disagree with much of their response. But the idea they had some choice in whether to "lock down" last March seems implausible to me.)
Hi Bruce,

You've completely lost me there. Italy? Malaria?

Where was the pressure to lockdown in the UK? There were no excess deaths until after lockdown on 23rd March 2020 (see graph attached to check for yourself), some 3 months after covid was found in our country and besides, the governement ignored WHO advice from the outset, we could of locked the borders (an advantage of being an island) and possibly avoided the entire events of the whole of the last year.

One has really got to question the motives behind all of this....can't put all this down to them being hopeless. This level of hopelessness would take far too much practice, skill and preparation.
 

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I must have heard every conspiratorial, Orwellian and pretty barmpot theory on why Governments across the world (and particularly ours), have ’conspired’ to create and perpetuate this pandemic. No-one can every provide an explanation that makes any sense to me.
I accept planning mistakes have been made and the procurement process dodgy to incompetent at the beginning...mainly due to panic.

Even with crisis planning, no administration has a tight blueprint for these crises especially when they evolve and mutate keeping ahead of the game. I’m more concerned with the attempts to undermine the recovery and the motives of some in doing so.

I‘m desperate to be out of shielding and for some normality to be restored. I’ve lost people to Covid (not always elderly or with pre-existing serious illnesses) and seen family and friends suffer. I also run a health site and have supported the affected through it. I’m in a very high risk immunocompromised group that may not even mount a durable response to the vaccine but I’ve had it anyway without ill effect. I’m grateful to those who have made huge sacrifices to protect others like me. This hasn’t felt like a political game to me. It’s been too real and yes, damaging.
 
Mikey B,

You can rest assured, Britain was better prepared for a pandemic than most other countries in the world and now we are leading the way!

Has anyone not come to any other conclusions (rather than them just being hopeless) on why everything is in such a bloody mess?
If Britain was better prepared, how come we didn’t have enough PPE? How come we bought the wrong stuff? How come we had the the highest death rate in Europe?

And I know why everything is such a bloody mess. We have a government which had only one thing on its mind - Brexit, and otherwise incompetent.
 
How come we had the the highest death rate in Europe?
It's been the mismanagement of the elderly that caused the excess deaths in the first lockdown, not the virus as many people believe.
 

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The mismanagement of the elderly was discharging folk from hospitals to care homes when they hadn’t been tested for Covid, thus spreading the virus in that enclosed environment. Killing care workers, as well as residents. So it was the virus, as many people believe. What else could it be?
 
The mismanagement of the elderly was discharging folk from hospitals to care homes when they hadn’t been tested for Covid, thus spreading the virus in that enclosed environment. Killing care workers, as well as residents. So it was the virus, as many people believe. What else could it be?
That is what I am saying, if they hadn't locked down, all those elderly patients wouldn't have been moved. I take your point, though, yes ultimately it was the virus. I'm saying it was moving people that was the driving factor behind the excess deaths hence why it happended at the time of lockdown and not before.

My point is, many people believe it was the pandemic that caused those excess deaths, when in reality it was the mismanagement that was the cause.
 
That is what I am saying, if they hadn't locked down, all those elderly patients wouldn't have been moved.
They moved the elderly patients because they anticipated needing lots more space in hospitals. Why? Because that was the experience in northern Italy shortly before: one or two of their hospitals were overwhelmed with patients having severe breathing difficulties.
 
Don’t forget the row when it was discovered that some doctors were judging who was worth saving, putting “Do not resuscitate” notifications on the elderly or those with learning difficulties without any discussion with relatives. Every life is valuable.
 
Don’t forget the row when it was discovered that some doctors were judging who was worth saving, putting “Do not resuscitate” notifications on the elderly or those with learning difficulties without any discussion with relatives.
Yes, while the motivation was genuine enough (they really did think that getting elderly people out of hospital where that was possible would be good) it surely could have been done better. Helping care homes to quarantine incoming patients, say (given that there wasn't enough testing). And yes, DNRs over the last year or so is quite probably a scandal which'll blow up in the coming months.
 
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