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I don't disagree that the model is wrong. IMO it would be much fairer to pay the actual cost (averaged between types of fuel used to generate the electricity). And I am inclined to agree that Ofgem are not fit for purpose - I think it's something to do with them that we have the current model...
 
I understood that the way UK energy prices are set currently, the highest price point of the energy in use at a time is paid. So if any fossil fuel electricity is being used, then the price paid by the supplier companies is that price, even though some of the producer companies are producing fuel cheaper. I.e. we would only pay the hydroelectric/wind price for hours where they supply all the needs of the whole country.

I'm a little more hazy on how that filters into consumer price, and who gets the profits from wind/hydroelectric/nuclear being paid for at the same rate as fossil fuel - whether it is the electricity producing companies who are producing the cheaper energy or somehow spread between producing and supplying companies

Ofgem sets the price based on cost of fossil fuel to the generating company.
The wholesale cost of electricity is paid by supply companies.
So, the supply companies should make a small profit, depending on the contract they have negotiated with generating companies.
At the start of this, a lot of supply companies had fixed price contracts with consumers, but bought off the generating companies on the spot market.
As the cost to generate went up, these companies couldn't afford the cost to buy electricity, and folded.
The bigger supply companies had longer contracts with generating companies, so weathered the initial phase, they moved onto variable contracts with consumers.
So Ofgem allowed them to stay in business by making a small profit.
Fossil fuel reliant generating companies are paying out for high cost fossil fuel, eco friendly or nuclear aren't.
Ideally, fossil fuel generators should be the ones changing supply as required to fill the gaps left by nuclear and the rest.
The winners are the gas and oil companies selling fossil fuel to the highest bidders, which they have to, the market sets the price, and the non fossil fuel generating companies profiting from the increase in wholesale electric price.
 
The fact that prices increases in the UK have been many many times higher than those in France and Germany says there is something seriously amiss in the UK model. I suspect like Ofcom Ofgem are not fit for purpose!


Wholesale price

UK £299.63
France £300.65
Germany £318.93

There isn't any clever model to make cheap electricity.
(We are the cheapest of the three to generate it though though)

The choice is whether it's discounted more now, and the governments are hoping for a fall in wholesale prices to pay back in the future, by allowing the suppliers to keep prices higher longer than they should be to make more profits in the future to cover suppliers losses now.
Or the UK model to set prices lower than cost now, and pay back by tax increases in the future, with the backstop of Ofgem ensuring falling prices will be passed on.

Either way, the electricity will be paid for by consumers.
 
Just listening to radio two.
Some people may be in for a shock.
After hearing the £2500 price cap, apparently everything is going back on, as no matter what they use, that's the cap they'll have to pay, nothing more.
I could actually imagine people running the heating with the windows open, just "to teach the greedy electric companies a lesson"
 
Just listening to radio two.
Some people may be in for a shock.
After hearing the £2500 price cap, apparently everything is going back on, as no matter what they use, that's the cap they'll have to pay, nothing more.
I could actually imagine people running the heating with the windows open, just "to teach the greedy electric companies a lesson"

The price cap is simply NEVER properly explained. what it was originally for, what it currently means, and the fact that you could pay more (or less) on your own bill. It’s complete un-information in the way it has been used recently.

I am also bewildered by the whole wholesale price set-up. And how we have to pay Putin Prices for our own North Sea gas, and vastly elevated wholesale costs for solar/wind/nuclear whose costs have not risen. The model seems utterly broken to me, and the idea of ‘having to pay’ the extra via taxes for generations, while the companies are wallowing in unexpected hugely inflated profits just utterly stinks.
 
Just listening to radio two.
Some people may be in for a shock.
After hearing the £2500 price cap, apparently everything is going back on, as no matter what they use, that's the cap they'll have to pay, nothing more.
I could actually imagine people running the heating with the windows open, just "to teach the greedy electric companies a lesson"

It's not cap as such, if they waste more they will be charged & in for one big shock.
 
The price cap is simply NEVER properly explained. what it was originally for, what it currently means, and the fact that you could pay more (or less) on your own bill. It’s complete un-information in the way it has been used recently.

I am also bewildered by the whole wholesale price set-up. And how we have to pay Putin Prices for our own North Sea gas, and vastly elevated wholesale costs for solar/wind/nuclear whose costs have not risen. The model seems utterly broken to me, and the idea of ‘having to pay’ the extra via taxes for generations, while the companies are wallowing in unexpected hugely inflated profits just utterly stinks.

Yes, fossil fuel accounted for only 35% of electricity generated last year.
The rest was nuclear and renewables, whose costs have only risen on par with inflation.
 
The price cap is simply NEVER properly explained. what it was originally for, what it currently means, and the fact that you could pay more (or less) on your own bill. It’s complete un-information in the way it has been used recently.

I am also bewildered by the whole wholesale price set-up. And how we have to pay Putin Prices for our own North Sea gas, and vastly elevated wholesale costs for solar/wind/nuclear whose costs have not risen. The model seems utterly broken to me, and the idea of ‘having to pay’ the extra via taxes for generations, while the companies are wallowing in unexpected hugely inflated profits just utterly stinks.

The gas will be an interesting thing.
Since Putin limited supplies, America has completely reversed it's green policy, and started massive exports to the EU.
The push to export is beginning to push prices up in America.
On top of that, new terminals are being built, and possibly won't even be finished until after the war is over, but then will have an operating life of decades.
So, is America going to succeed in pushing back the switch to green energy in the USA and the EU, or is it a massive overreach by gas companies there that will come back to bankrupt them?
 
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