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You're right that it's so sad in this day and age, such ignorance happens....from people with diabetes, rather than the DVSA though!

The maximum time for a driving theory test is 57 minutes. I appreciate how BG monitors are an essential part of our management but honestly, is it really such a phenomenal breach of human rights, or discrimination, to forgo testing for less than an hour?

I don't understand why this person couldn't have simply tested just before going into the test, made any adjustments if required, and then simply handed her monitor in, done the test in less than an hour and then just tested afterwards when she was done.

But of course, we all know why her BG meter is 'life-saving' in particular - because she admits she has been hospitalised multiple times for having her blood sugar drop so low she has passed out and had fits. I'm less worried about whether or not she can take her BG meter into a test with her, and far more worried about why on earth she's being permitted to apply for a driving license in the first place.

I know it's an unpopular point of view but if you're so hypo-unaware that you regularly end up in a situation where you need professional medical intervention, you are not fit to drive and if you go on the road and cause a serious accident, you just make it harder for the rest of us to keep our licenses.
 
Deus, I think you're being a little unfair. I wouldn't want my meter taken off me-I have full hypo awareness and haven't been hospitalised since childhood but I know my bg can drop from normal to hypo in 20mins-and If I was driving I would (and have) stopped immediately, tested and treated as appropriate. Theres no reason she cant do that as well. I had fits/passed out etc as a child-and we dont know thats not what she mother is referring to.
 
Don't get me wrong, I did read it and think she maybe could have left it outside. I just felt a little sorry for her if she's been ordered to leave because of a glucose testing meter. Surely in this day and age, it shouldn't be questioned if we have them with us. If someone had a colostomy bag would they be marched out ?
 
Don't get me wrong, I did read it and think she maybe could have left it outside. I just felt a little sorry for her if she's been ordered to leave because of a glucose testing meter. Surely in this day and age, it shouldn't be questioned if we have them with us. If someone had a colostomy bag would they be marched out ?

Or an asthma inhaler? 🙄 :(
 
The stupidest thing is that she was initially allowed to have the meter with her, and then halfway through the test she was thrown out and disqualified. Sounds a bit of a shambles, and also unfair and humiliating.
 
My guess is they did not understand what it was and thought she may have answers stored on it, as this was the theory exam. I have had a lot of questions about my kit in exams as they think it is a mobile of some sort.
I would hate to have it taken away from me even for a short period. The stress of an exam can do all sorts of strange things to blood sugars and nerves can feel v similar to some hypo symptoms.
 
Surely in this day and age, it shouldn't be questioned if we have them with us.

Open question - how many of us, outside of diabetes-related interactions, have ever come in contact with someone with T1 actively using a glucose meter? Because in 16 years of having this condition, it hasn't happened to me once. Maybe it's me, but I think we do live in a bit of a bubble at times where because we are highly familiar with all of the paraphernalia and what it does, we tend to assume that everyone else has this sort of exposure. When frequently they don't. I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that 95% of people out there, on seeing a glucose meter, have no idea that people with diabetes even use them and would assume it's some sort of mobile phone.

So then you've got some lowly paid public servant running a testing centre who reads the rules 'no personal devices as it could allow you to cheat', sees something they don't understand...they're going to err on the side of caution aren't they? They don't want to lose their job over something they don't understand.

I agree it's disappointing, and I completely agree that we shouldn't have to justify ourselves and it's unfortunate people out there don't get it...but that's the reality. And we can either see ourselves as victims, or we can be pragmatic about it. I bet there's plenty of other people out there with serious medical conditions with other gadgets or needs and we wouldn't recognise them either.

I can understand the concern if it was someone with an insulin pump or even a pen or glucose tablets being excluded but comparing a BG meter to an inhaler or a colostomy bag is stretching a point. If you can't go for an hour without needing access to your blood sugar meter then you shouldn't be driving. We don't know when this girl has been hospitalised through low blood sugar but the way her and her mother talk about it, it doesn't exactly sound like a couple of one-offs a decade ago.

If she's genuinely that worried about 'having a fit' from low blood sugar because she hasn't got her meter, she's either hypo unaware, or these things are still happening. This might not chime with the prevailing thought but you don't need a meter to know you're having a hypo, or to treat one. A hypo can act as confirmation but isn't it far safer, if you feel you're having a hypo, to immediately treat it instead of faffing around with a meter for a minute to confirm what you already know?

Of course, society must make reasonable accommodations for us and our needs. But it is a quid pro quo. Stress raises blood sugar levels. Does that mean our bosses aren't allowed to tell us off? We can't expect the world to revolve around us and that means learning to manage our condition in the real world. Not having access to a meter for 57 minutes is not a big deal and most people will probably do the test in less than 25 minutes. I bet almost all of us can go for an hour without testing without something catastrophic happening.

Let's pick our battles. The last thing any of us need is news stories relating diabetes, fitting and driving and making it sound like not having access to a meter could make us drop dead in less than an hour.
 
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Well if I go the meter comes with me end of, and they should be aware of the need for medical equipment. I know I most likely won't need it but I'd be so anxious about not having it I'd probably fail the theory test from sheer fidget brain. Her Mother may be anxious, and probably defending her daughter a little too vociferously, but things like this should be highlighted. I was prevented from entering a festival last year because they wouldn't let me take food or insulin in. Now I'm a stroppy madam and gave them what for (resulting in an apology, flowers and free tickets for the festival this year) but if I was a 17 year old I'd have been mortified, upset and disappointed, my Mother would have torn them to pieces with her teeth (she's a formidable woman). I expect the "she's had fits" comment is less about the daughters current ability to control her diabetes and more about defending her youngster. I wish her luck, and hope she's a responsible young woman behind the wheel of a car.
 
Yes, Kooky, I agree with your comments about her mother. I hoped she hadn't over-egged it, because if it's suspected that her daughter hasn't answered the question honestly about needing help for more than two hypos in the past year, or whatever the wording is now, she could have problems getting or keeping a licence anyway.
I frequently walk out to the shops or to a friends, or go to the supermarket if my husband is driving, without my meter, but I've got good hypo awareness, so would just pop a fruit pastille or two if I felt low and check when I got home. I'd always take it if I was going further afield, though, even if I wasn't driving.
 
Very interesting thread. I think in the case of this girl, she should have been allowed in with the meter or not - not great to let her do most of the test and then stop her.
Funny, as Deus XM says, I was just thinking the other day how I don't see other people out and about testing, injecting etc. I have only come into contact with one other type 1 in everyday life and she was a work experience student of mine. I knew she was Type 1 cos it said on her medical form, but would never have brought it up. On first day I got out my kit over packed lunch in the garden and just got on with it discreetly. She noticed and then Volunteered that she was Type 1 too.
I always keep an eye out, but no one else has crossed my radar yet!
 
I think whether or not she should be allowed to drive is not the issue here. That is for her doctors and the DVLA to decide on, we do not know her full history just the comments her mum made which may have been exagerated for the sake of making a good story.

The issue is not being allowed to take a glucose meter into a computer based test which imho was out of order.
 
It's a difficult one because although my HBA1C is good, and I have good hypo awareness, I can feel hypo when I'm not. there isn't usually a reason for feeling hypo but when I test it could be c.7.5 I wouldn't want to treat that as a hypo.
 
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