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Bit of a damp and blustery weekend on the cards it seems.
The garden needs it, I keep telling myself. But it’s our first chance to see our son since March; we are visiting tomorrow to take him some plants that we divided off from some of ours, advise him on weeding and pruning his garden (he’s lived in a flat up to now) now that stuff has got leaves on and we can tell what it is, and have a picnic lunch there, possibly under umbrellas!
 
Not happy about having to wear a face mask if I attend hospital - where the hell do such as I obtain a face mask which prevents ME from catching anything?
 
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Not happy about having to wear a face mask if I attend hospital - where the hell do such as I obtain a face mask which prevents ME from catching anything?

My understanding, despite the constant use of the abbreviation PPE, is that any face coverings the public are advised to wear are to stop spread FROM the wearer, not TO the wearer. The overall impact is to reduce the spread, particularly from asymptomatic folks?

Do DIY stores have any dust masks?
 
Well obviously I wouldn't wish to pass anything on - but my understanding was that nothing WE can get our sticky paws on can stop us catching something so why the hell should I do this to marginally protect NHS workers/other patients, if I can't protect ME properly?
 
Well obviously I wouldn't wish to pass anything on - but my understanding was that nothing WE can get our sticky paws on can stop us catching something so why the hell should I do this to marginally protect NHS workers/other patients, if I can't protect ME properly?

Well... i think its a bit like everyone taking their boots off in airports, and buying special micro-shampoos and toothpastes. Bearable inconvenience to the many, to prevent the potential ‘bad thing’ from the small monitory.

Because ultimately everyone wearing facemasks in hospitals *includes* anyone who might be asymptomatically spreading it... and hugely curtails any coughed or spluttered (or simply spoken) fragments and and by extension therefore protects everyone including the uninfected wearers 🙂
 
Well obviously I wouldn't wish to pass anything on - but my understanding was that nothing WE can get our sticky paws on can stop us catching something so why the hell should I do this to marginally protect NHS workers/other patients, if I can't protect ME properly?
if you want to protect yourself ,currently the only way is to remain in isolation ,whilst you meditate or pray for a vaccine.
the WHO believe the disease will become endemic in the population,no doubt killing millions untill a vaccine or treatment is found.
the new normal will be localised lockdowns to stop virus hotspots getting out of control.
this will continue untill herd immunity is achieved,then the virus would become like any other infectious disease where periodic outbreaks occur as resistance drops in the population.
 
the new normal will be localised lockdowns to stop virus hotspots getting out of control.
this will continue untill herd immunity is achieved,then the virus would become like any other infectious disease where periodic outbreaks occur as resistance drops in the population.

The "new normal" maybe looks more like what's happening now in places like Oz: a case is detected; contacts traced and quarantined; if necessary a workplace, aged care facility, whatever is locked down and extensively tested. With good tracing and quarantining, doesn't have to rise to the level of locking down a region, just individual cluster locations.

Of course you need to get community transmission down to low levels for this to work, and the test & trace operation has to move very quickly. It basically involves treating the thing like eg ebola, SARS, MERS or whatever.

So latest example: household contact from a cluster in Melbourne missed by tracing crosses closed border into Queensland under a dispensation for seasonal fruit pickers. There he develops symptoms, gets tested and comes up positive. Emergency declared in Queensland: tracers go to work; several dozen contacts from planes, buses, family, workplace quarantined and undergoing testing; pop-up testing facility backed up by extensive public info campaign established in the town where he went to work. So far all negative. I guess if widespread community transmission was found in the town, it would be locked down, but that doesn't seem very likely at the moment.

A major effort, like you would make for ebola etc, possible because this guy was the only local transmission case (ie not a quarantined international arrival) detected in the last few days.
 
I’m worried as the R rate has gone over 1 in the North West where I live. Cumbria is one of the worst areas for cases and that may or may not have anything to do with the hordes of visitors to the Lake District. I could drive to a lake in 20 minutes but I won’t and haven’t. We have seen all our children and grandchildren this week which was lovely but I now feel anxious about it and don’t want to go far now. It’s Mr Eggy’s 60th birthday in 2 weeks time, day after Fathers Day, and the girls will want to visit of course but I’m getting really worried about it. Hopefully in two weeks time numbers will be down further and the R number down also. Fingers crossed. It’s times like this I wish I lived on a remote island where isolation is the norm!
 
Hi all,

I am enjoying lockdown in a strange way and i think that is because i am pretty introverted, definitely not sociable so i having more time on my own. I do find moments of struggle in isolation but i just keep going. What has been the most difficult things for me are being a Counselling and Psychotherapy student with all lessons going online and i normally see my counsellor face to face once a week but that too has been bought online. Sometimes my internet is bad so it is hectic sometimes.

I have bought myself a punch bag to keep me entertained and is keeping me active and a cross-trainer which is coming next month which i look forward to using. We have also got an almost 9 week old kitten, Molly and she is hectic so she has been keeping me busy haha.

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I enjoyed a garden visit from my son and family this morning - first time we’ve been together since lockdown started. It was lovely to see my grandchildren playing in the garden and to enjoy each other’s company ‘three dimensionally’. Oh for a return to normality.
 
Middle daughter back to school today, she is year 6. We are not sure how good an idea opening schools is, but at least our area is quite low incidence, so lower risk, and she was very keen to go back, with this being her last year in this school.

We are keeping evaluating the situation, and we will pull her out at the first sign things don't look good.
 
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Went to Garden Centre at opening at 8.30 opening , saw no other customers. Tried to go Saturday afternoon but as it shares ground with B&Q and was quite crowded carpark so did not get out.
 
The "new normal" maybe looks more like what's happening now in places like Oz: a case is detected; contacts traced and quarantined; if necessary a workplace, aged care facility, whatever is locked down and extensively tested. With good tracing and quarantining, doesn't have to rise to the level of locking down a region, just individual cluster locations.

Of course you need to get community transmission down to low levels for this to work, and the test & trace operation has to move very quickly. It basically involves treating the thing like eg ebola, SARS, MERS or whatever.

So latest example: household contact from a cluster in Melbourne missed by tracing crosses closed border into Queensland under a dispensation for seasonal fruit pickers. There he develops symptoms, gets tested and comes up positive. Emergency declared in Queensland: tracers go to work; several dozen contacts from planes, buses, family, workplace quarantined and undergoing testing; pop-up testing facility backed up by extensive public info campaign established in the town where he went to work. So far all negative. I guess if widespread community transmission was found in the town, it would be locked down, but that doesn't seem very likely at the moment.

A major effort, like you would make for ebola etc, possible because this guy was the only local transmission case (ie not a quarantined international arrival) detected in the last few days.
that might work on islands and areas of low density population with non porous borders,as long as you quarentine all visitors but not really realistic globally where there is a land bridge,high density population like europe,the americas,africa and asian landmass.
the disease will become endemic unless there is a mutation or vaccine.
mass testing and quarentine where people live on less than a few dollars a day is just not realistic
 
Not happy about having to wear a face mask if I attend hospital - where the hell do such as I obtain a face mask which prevents ME from catching anything?

Don`t worry about it Jenny, when I got there they asked me to take mine off, wouldn`t mind I wasn`t wearing one.😱o_O:D
 
that might work on islands and areas of low density population with non porous borders,as long as you quarentine all visitors but not really realistic globally where there is a land bridge,high density population like europe,the americas,africa and asian landmass.
the disease will become endemic unless there is a mutation or vaccine.
mass testing and quarentine where people live on less than a few dollars a day is just not realistic

You forgot to mention the mystical virological powers of kangaroos.

Anyway, tell that to the African countries which have dealt with ebola ...
 
Not doing too badly at all. Summer is now here and, joy of joys, a lot of restrictions have now been eased. My car which has been idle for 14 weeks has now been jump started and a friend is using it to go back and fore to work so that the battery is fully charged. Then it has to go in for its long overdue ITV (MOT) but the authorities here have been very considerate during the pandemic so I doubt if I will be penalized (watch this space). Then I will be able to go to Ubeda and ram-raid ALDI, I'm running out of things which although not essential are sorely missed. Now, if only they sold pork pies my happiness would be complete - but they don't.
 
Not doing too badly at all. Summer is now here and, joy of joys, a lot of restrictions have now been eased. My car which has been idle for 14 weeks has now been jump started and a friend is using it to go back and fore to work so that the battery is fully charged. Then it has to go in for its long overdue ITV (MOT) but the authorities here have been very considerate during the pandemic so I doubt if I will be penalized (watch this space). Then I will be able to go to Ubeda and ram-raid ALDI, I'm running out of things which although not essential are sorely missed. Now, if only they sold pork pies my happiness would be complete - but they don't.
Don't they have empanadas in Andalucía?
 
Yes of course, but they are almost exclusively, here at least, filled with tuna.
 
You forgot to mention the mystical virological powers of kangaroos.

Anyway, tell that to the African countries which have dealt with ebola ...
if african countries were left to deal with ebola,god help us all,they might have local african primitive public health workers and government fixers,but the UN,WHO,international red cross and medecine sans frontiers ,who fund,organise ,supply and provide health care specialists are mostly responsible for the good outcome so far.
left to themselves we would be back in the dark ages
 
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