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Hello all my names Katy

I've been a type 3C diabetic since July last year and become diabetic after having my spleen and part of my pancreas removed.
I'm still very much learning so you may see quite a few posts from me asking questions but all you're help would be truly grateful 🙂
 
Hi Katy,
Sorry to hear about your op and subsequent diagnosis. I'm guessing that a 3c Diabetic is someone who has become so through an operation. Would that be correct?
You're in the right place for advice and just remember there are no daft questions.
I've been diagnosed for 30 + years and still learning especially from this forum.
All the best.
 
Hi Katy you're very welcome to any help the forum members can give you - we have a number of Type 3cs in our midst.

What diabetes treatment has been prescribed for you and are you also taking creon with meals?

@Peely66 - Yes - Katy already told us about her operation
 
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Hi Katy,
Sorry to hear about your op and subsequent diagnosis. I'm guessing that a 3c Diabetic is someone who has become so through an operation. Would that be correct?
You're in the right place for advice and just remember there are no daft questions.
I've been diagnosed for 30 + years and still learning especially from this forum.
All the best.
Hello,
Thank you

yes that is correct I had distal pancreatectomy/splenectomy, lucky to have only lost a quarter of my pancreas and thankful for it not being cancerous and caught before it got to that point but unfortunately developed Type 3C diabetes from it but it's basically type one to be honest except sometimes it works and sometimes it's lazy ... Wow 30 years is a long time. I honestly think sometimes I have the hang of it and then I'm like actually have i?
 
Hi Katy you're very welcome to any help the forum members can give you - we have a number of Type 3cs in our midst.

What diabetes treatment has been prescribed for you and are you also taking creon with meals?

@Peely66 - Yes - Katy already told us about her operation - read her post again!
I take lanctus in the morning and Novarapid at meal times. And have now started with Libre 2
 
Hi Katy you're very welcome to any help the forum members can give you - we have a number of Type 3cs in our midst.

What diabetes treatment has been prescribed for you and are you also taking creon with meals?

@Peely66 - Yes - Katy already told us about her operation - read her post again!
Thank you for pointing that out for me.

I was attempting to engage with someone about their condition and their post and was unaware that Type 3c was solely the result of an operation.
 
Hello and welcome @Katy83

I'm sorry to hear about your operation and subsequent diagnosis, I hope things are settling for you. It is good to see you are using Libre 2.

There are a few forum members with Type 3c, I'll tag @eggyg who has been dealing with it for a number of years.
This is a list of some previous posts on the forum relating to Type 3c and hope they'll be useful to you - I had to search for pancreatic cancer as Type 3c was too short a term to search with.
https://forum.diabetes.org.uk/boards/search/44936/?q=pancreatic+cancer&o=date

This is the information on the Diabetes UK site about Type 3c
https://www.diabetes.org.uk/diabetes-the-basics/type-3c-diabetes

Please ask any questions you have and someone will be along to answer.
 
Hi @Katy83, I too had a distal pancreatectomy along with spleen removal, 13.5 years ago.My tumour was also pre cancerous thankfully. My bit of pancreas that remained is now all but dead, which to be honest is a blessing as it means it doesn’t suddenly start working and splurts out insulin willy nilly! It can be difficult to manage at times but I’ve got used with it now. Any questions give me a shout. Elaine.
 
Welcome to the forum @Katy83

Sorry to hear of your operation and the resultant Type 3c diagnosis.
You have already been given loads of useful link by @Flower and I know that @eggyg is in the ball with all things Type 3c.

Very pleased that you have found the forum, and I will just encourage you to ask any questions that arise. Nothing is considered silly on here. Just ask.
 
Hi @Katy83, I too had a distal pancreatectomy along with spleen removal, 13.5 years ago.My tumour was also pre cancerous thankfully. My bit of pancreas that remained is now all but dead, which to be honest is a blessing as it means it doesn’t suddenly start working and splurts out insulin willy nilly! It can be difficult to manage at times but I’ve got used with it now. Any questions give me a shout. Elaine.
Thank you
 
Welcome to the forum @Katy83

We have a few 3cs on the forum, and lots of T1s for you to compare notes with - so ask away with any questions. 🙂

Although not specifically aimed at Type 3c, you might find some helpful tips in these books which are often recommended on the forum:

Type 1 Diabetes in Children Adolescents and Young People by Ragnar Hanas (Suitable forpeople of all ages!)

Think Like a Pancreas’ by Gary Scheiner - A practical guide to managing diabetes with insulin
 
Hi @Katy83,
I became type 3c in Feb 2019 following a Whipple's Procedure and total pancreatectomy, to halt pancreatic cancer. So at 72 I'm still very new to this.

One thing has become very clear to me: extremely few medically qualified people, including those specialists who ought to know, have even heard of Type 3c - let alone realise how different it can be from T1 or T2. My specialist nurse recently raised a report on me, categorising me on the heading as T1. In discussion with her she replied the essential thing was to make sure anyone looking at my medical records realised that I am insulin dependent; she felt certain that if I arrived in the local A&E they wouldn't promptly realise the insulin need! I tested this theory during my 2nd Covid jab and asked the GP doing the stabbing; she thought and then honestly replied she'd never heard of Type 3c. So I'm pragmatically accepting that some will see me as T1, even though my BG behaviour is pretty erratic in relation to some T1s. I certainly haven't yet got "the hang of it" - early days.

We are members of a very small and exclusive group of diabetics. Not surprisingly, there is very little research done on Type 3c - too few of us; and the spectrum of people with Type 3c includes some who are not insulin dependent. So the adage that diabetes affects each of us differently is true for us as well!

Currently I'm still wrestling with whether I'm fully absorbing all the carbs that I eat and so whether my carb counting and insulin intake is appropriate. After several months of significant BG instability I've changed from Levermir 2x8 unit daily to Degludec 1x12 units daily. It's early days, but it does seem that the reduced basal load with a "flatter" release profile over 24+ hrs is helping reduce the previously regular hypos. I had to politely but robustly press my DSN to help me get this change; because, from her office and computer, it seemed that my use of Libre2 was providing much improved stability on my Libreview reports - so I was "doing well". She was unaware and so oblivious (then) to how much time I was spending on my diabetes management to seem OK. I don't begrudge the time - it's my life and comfort/discomfort that is at stake; and it will get better as I recognise trends etc.

I have just, finally, had a gastroenterologist consult and his response was helpful, positive and confirming that I needed my gastro problems to be investigated and answered, to clarify if malabsorption was at the root of the BG erratic behaviour. I'm not expecting a miraculous resolution. But it's taken too long to get my GP to do the referral, even though the dietician recommended it to the GP - and I have a history of Ulcerative Colitis, which should routinely attract a gastro referral.

My overall point is: don't allow the "specialists" to dogmatically dictate the solution or "park you" in their parking space of normality. But be pragmatic in accepting they might categorise you T1 for their simplicity.

Anyway, the very best of luck and sincere good wishes with all of this. I've found Gary Scheiner's "Think Like a Pancreas" most helpful; just started re-reading it this week. I'm now going to hunt down Ragnar Hanas's book (thanks @everydayupsanddowns).
 
@Katy83 - sorry: became Type3c in Feb 2020. Everything else seems correct for me, but ...
 
Forgive me for saying this - but I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO pleased that pancreatic cancer is now no longer the automatic death sentence that it formerly was. I never got to meet Jack, who would have been my father in law, because of it. His wife Nora was a blooming lovely lady, too.

Just thank God there IS now a 'category' to assign you to!
 
Thank you - I agree. Despite the DM, it's a fine outcome and when things are mirroring my link name (erratic) I remind myself that I'm here and getting on with my new life. Roland.
 
Hello all my names Katy

I've been a type 3C diabetic since July last year and become diabetic after having my spleen and part of my pancreas removed.
I'm still very much learning so you may see quite a few posts from me asking questions but all you're help would be truly grateful 🙂
Hi Katy, apologies for coming to this late. I had a total pancreatectomy 11 years ago (6 May) although i did retain my spleen. Pre operation discussions centered on removing the tumours so was not prepared for diabetes post operation. I started with fixed units per meal, didn't get on too well with longer lasting insulin trying multiple brands and regimes. After 6 years managed to convince my consultant i should have a pump. This worked really well until put on Somatuline. Now have a CGM managing my Basal insulin because my BS became very brittle. My advice would be to get on top of carb counting, understand the basics of managing your blood sugars and once you have 12 - 18 month experience start pushing your consultant for integrated CGM and Pump. Happy to help with any diabetic / non diabetic questions
 
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