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childofthesea43 said:
evolution has equipped us to deal perfectly well with eating carbs when we want to
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Except when we then go on to develop metabolic syndrome and T2 diabetes.
 
bulkbiker said:
Except when we then go on to develop metabolic syndrome and T2 diabetes.
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Yes, “except when”. It is not the norm to develop those problems, it is just a minority like us who get them owing to our genetic peculiarities. Evolution intrinsically optimises the majority, it is virtually a tautology.
 
I was eating the diet laid out in the GP's guidance sheet for almost 2 years before diagnosis, and on and off for most of my adult life.
I worked for Allied Lyons so I had been put off the idea of processed foods by the way they worked out what to put into mixes and boxes.
There is nothing in the 'normal' diet which makes us become a type 2 diabetic, not that I can think of - it is simply that we, Homo sapiens sapiens 0.1 - often do not deal with carbohydrates very well - nothing to do with processed foods or even quantities. If our metabolism is thrown into a loop and begins to fail to deal with carbohydrates then the effects mount up and can be dreadful.
Reducing the carbs is the same as no longer trying to walk on a broken leg, it can heal given time.
 
Drummer said:
I was eating the diet laid out in the GP's guidance sheet for almost 2 years before diagnosis, and on and off for most of my adult life.
I worked for Allied Lyons so I had been put off the idea of processed foods by the way they worked out what to put into mixes and boxes.
There is nothing in the 'normal' diet which makes us become a type 2 diabetic, not that I can think of - it is simply that we, Homo sapiens sapiens 0.1 - often do not deal with carbohydrates very well - nothing to do with processed foods or even quantities. If our metabolism is thrown into a loop and begins to fail to deal with carbohydrates then the effects mount up and can be dreadful.
Reducing the carbs is the same as no longer trying to walk on a broken leg, it can heal given time.
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I would be interested to know whether if we fed a large cohort of people on almost nothing but fats and protein for twenty years, held them to a sedentary lifestyle and fed them so much that they became obese, would around 10% of them become type2 diabetic? It would tell us something about the carbs-are-killing-us hypothesis, perhaps. My own view is that we would indeed see some of them becoming T2.
 
Drummer said:
I was eating the diet laid out in the GP's guidance sheet for almost 2 years before diagnosis, and on and off for most of my adult life.
I worked for Allied Lyons so I had been put off the idea of processed foods by the way they worked out what to put into mixes and boxes.
There is nothing in the 'normal' diet which makes us become a type 2 diabetic, not that I can think of - it is simply that we, Homo sapiens sapiens 0.1 - often do not deal with carbohydrates very well - nothing to do with processed foods or even quantities. If our metabolism is thrown into a loop and begins to fail to deal with carbohydrates then the effects mount up and can be dreadful.
Reducing the carbs is the same as no longer trying to walk on a broken leg, it can heal given time.
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The above, by the way, lacks an explanation of why T2 is rising so sharply. If it’s not because of eating too much carbs or eating junk food, then what is it, in your view?
 
childofthesea43 said:
fed them so much that they became obese
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That is where your problem would be.. when we eat fats and proteins our natural hormonal signalling mechanisms work well.
It would be highly unlikely that people would overconsume on such a diet.
 
bulkbiker said:
That is where your problem would be.. when we eat fats and proteins our natural hormonal signalling mechanisms work well.
It would be highly unlikely that people would overconsume on such a diet.
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Indeed it would be unlikely but that misses my point, namely IF they did become obese on fats and proteins alone (via some weird forced experiment, say), would some still develop T2? I think a minority would, if only because their genes would be packing excess fat into their pancreases.
 
childofthesea43 said:
Indeed it would be unlikely but that misses my point, namely IF they did become obese on fats and proteins alone (via some weird forced experiment, say), would some still develop T2? I think a minority would, if only because their genes would be packing excess fat into their pancreases.
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It's a possibility but as there's little to no money to be made trialling a species appropriate diet I doubt anyone would pay for it.
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If I win the lottery maybe I would.
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childofthesea43 said:
I would be interested to know whether if we fed a large cohort of people on almost nothing but fats and protein for twenty years, held them to a sedentary lifestyle and fed them so much that they became obese, would around 10% of them become type2 diabetic? It would tell us something about the carbs-are-killing-us hypothesis, perhaps. My own view is that we would indeed see some of them becoming T2.
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But you can't do that to people - it is almost impossible to overeat on a low carb diet anyway - even a single larger than normal meal switches off the appetite, and would you be able to stop someone dancing around the kitchen when making coffee?
I've lost 70lb without trying - weight I put on, also without trying - even whilst doing my best to prevent it, just vanished away with a change in diet but no conscious increase in activity.
 
childofthesea43 said:
I would be interested to know whether if we fed a large cohort of people on almost nothing but fats and protein for twenty years
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I’ve seen a documentary with ‘ad libitum’ feeding of rats (unrestricted eating).

If you fed them only fats, they stopped eating and their weight remained stable.

If you fed them only sugar, they stopped eating and their weight remained stable.

If you offered a 50:50 mix of fat and sugar… bingo. They didn't stop eating, and became overweight.
 
Niori said:
Thanks

It's good to know that I am not necessarily doomed to a life of medication and salads and all of the complications that come with diabetes

It's inspiring to read other people's success stories!
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Welcome to the forum @Niori - and I hope you’ll forgive the slight thread drift. Folks here sure can chat… and do love a tangent.

Back on topic - so pleased that you are encouraged reading others’ stories and expeirences. We have lots of members who have made tweaks and changes to their diet following receiving a raised HbA1c and as has been said, found it became a sort of catalyst to finally make some changes they had perhaps intended to for years.

For some, even those with a formal diagnosis of diabetes - they say they feel healthier and more energised than they have for years. And for some, the positive changes they make also bring relief or reduction in apparent symptoms of all sorts of other ailments.

Hope you get some positive feedback at your next checkup, and that you are finding a way of eating that you can maintain going forwards 🙂
 
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