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Hi @cupcakequeen71 Welcome to the 3C club!! I had most of my pancreas and spleen removed in June 2022 and was in UHCW Coventry for 5 weeks. I started on tablets but i might as well have eaten smarties so went on to insulin in August 2022. Every day is a learning day and some days can be a challenge but the people on the forum and the DUK helpline are a great help. Take your time to recover from the operation and the form is here if you want to ask questions or somewhere to let of steam.
 
Nearly 4 yrs on I've got into a sort of workable routine. I do find I'm agreeing with @martindt1606 that level days are not frequent and so far I don't qualify for further tech, such as a pump; I manage my D too well (in the eyes of the clinicians) and achieve about 70% time in range - which is seen as v.g., so I'm ineligible for more tech. My short term goal is to convince my Endocrinology Team that I need a pump, to reduce my daily constant commitment to my D management.
I was lucky my first Diabetes consultant put me forward for a discretionary budget after 2 years as a reward for managing reasonably well. I was her first and last TP and she wanted to ensure I would continue to progress after her retirement. whenever i'm asked to advise a Neuroendocrine Cancer patient facing the TP I always stress that they need to discuss the inclusion of closed-loop in the future care plan. Not to be immediately available but once they have built up some knowledge and understanding. Following the recent announcement of the widening of the availability of closed - loop I did reply to the announcement with a comment saying that this should be expanded to those who had undergone pancreatic surgery. We are small in number so it would not be a big budget drain. However we need support to make the powers that be realise we exist. I did tag PCUK, NCUK, and DUK but none replied.....
 
Hi @cupcakequeen71,
I had a total pancreatectomy as my primary treatment for panc'y cancer and no islets captured for transplanting. Like yourself 14 days in hospital and after 3 months of surgery recovery at home I had adjuvant (precautionary) chemo - which I did not enjoy!

Nearly 4 yrs on I've got into a sort of workable routine. I do find I'm agreeing with @martindt1606 that level days are not frequent and so far I don't qualify for further tech, such as a pump; I manage my D too well (in the eyes of the clinicians) and achieve about 70% time in range - which is seen as v.g., so I'm ineligible for more tech. My short term goal is to convince my Endocrinology Team that I need a pump, to reduce my daily constant commitment to my D management.

I support @rebrascora's remark about scar tissue. It was on the list of risks that might arise from my surgery. But so was death and somehow all the other risks seemed unimportant. The external scar healed well; the internal surgery can (and did for me) create major internal tissue hardening. That led to my colon getting snagged, trapped and blocked after 28 months; I then needed emergency surgery directly on top of the beautifully healed original incision. This needed 3 weeks in hospital before I was allowed home. Scar tissue therapy can include a form of massage to keep that scarred zone soft and supple and (in hindsight) I wish I'd taken more notice of this "risk" and made sure this possibility was being fully monitored.

The Surgical report declared my procedure was pylorus preserving, so I deduce that minimal surgery was on the stomach itself; but of course some incision would have been needed to disconnect my panc'y and a certain amount of rearranged intestinal work would have occurred. After surgery healing and chemo disruption I was at 8 months still taking fixed doses of insulin as defined by my local hospital DSN - rather than carb counting and determining how much insulin was needed. Because that was leaving me on the high/low bg roller coaster (and I didn't get CGM for several more months) I realised that although I thought my DSN was actively managing me - in practice I was on my own either deeply hypo or ridiculously high, but rarely in between; so I learnt how to carb count and took my care into my hands, thereafter some bg management started to happen.

BUT I was still losing weight and had very poor bowel control. It became obvious to me that carb counting was of limited value if the carbs weren't being digested in an even and predictable manner. So I got my HPB surgical team (from a Hospital in a different County) to refer me to a Urologist in my own County and he systematically set about eliminating possible explanations before finally determining that I had an unusual bacterial infection and needed an unusual antibiotic. Once that problem was sorted carb counting made more sense in terms of seeing "cause and effect" - but still from just finger pricking. That bowel problem seems to be back recently and thus my bg management has declined in recent weeks. But at least I'm aware of what might be the cause and these days generally able to manage it! So we steadily learn and the early anxiety, fear etc does diminish - a lot.

DO ASK if something isn't clear, there is a huge depth of knowledge within the membership of this forum. There is a lot of detail behind the generic principles of insulin dependent diabetes AND that is really quite different from T2 diabetes treated by oral meds. Both have their complexities and there is not much similarity. About 10% of those with D are T1, almost 90% are T2 and the rest of us, altogether are less than 1%. As a T3c with no panc'y you (and I) are very rare. Your surgical team will have a great understanding of your diagnosis and your unique islet transplants circumstances. The vast majority of the rest of all Health Care Professionals (HCPs) simply don't know much about insulin dependency and won't have a clue about the significance of you, as a T3c and very unusually with absolutely no pancreas. They will be oblivious to the fact that you have absolutely no other pancreatic hormones and will sometimes make ludicrous assumptions or try to tell you to follow their protocols, even when those protocols can't apply to you. This aspect can be frustrating, but knowing this frustration can occur has allowed me to hold my own and resist.

I could go on, but won't. Welcome.
Thank you, sorry its taken me so long to reply. I feel like I'm on a roller coaster most days. Ridiculous highs (18-25) and very low, especially at night, regularly 2.9. My hba1c has gone from 68 to 77 in 2 months. Feeling a bit fed up. Now looking like I might have bile salt malabsorbsion. Still getting cramping in stomach as pain where panky was, and am sooo tired
But it's better than chronic pancreatitis!!!

Thank you for the advice, being a t3c I feel no one believes me, they think theres only 2 types and even the local diabetes team are asking me what to do!!! Its frustrating. Wish I could get more in range!!
 
Thank you, sorry its taken me so long to reply. I feel like I'm on a roller coaster most days. Ridiculous highs (18-25) and very low, especially at night, regularly 2.9. My hba1c has gone from 68 to 77 in 2 months. Feeling a bit fed up. Now looking like I might have bile salt malabsorbsion. Still getting cramping in stomach as pain where panky was, and am sooo tired
But it's better than chronic pancreatitis!!!

Thank you for the advice, being a t3c I feel no one believes me, they think theres only 2 types and even the local diabetes team are asking me what to do!!! Its frustrating. Wish I could get more in range!!
Hi there - I'm sorry things are not great. I'd really recommend going on the daily thread which lots of us are on - it's a cheery support type of thread where you can just say what you've been doing, or just put your morning BG, or just read - but really nice way of feeling part of a bigger thing and not on your own with all this. It's the Group 7-day waking average group in General - I'll try to mention you and see if it then pings up in your notifications 🙂
 
Sorry to hear that you are having a tough time. I wonder if your transplant situation may make it a bit like being in permanent honeymoon period, where your own home produced insulin is kicking in in fits and starts and making things more unpredictable and undermining your dosing decisions.
When you say that you are having hypos during the night, do you double check these lows with a finger prick before treating? The reason I ask is that sensors are prone to what we call compression lows where, if you apply pressure to the sensor, it compresses the tissue underneath and causes a false low. It is most likely to happen during the night if you roll over onto the arm with the sensor on it. If you treat that low without double checking, then your levels will go high, because you were not actually low in the first place. Understanding the limitations of CGM is important as otherwise you can end up rollercoasting by taking the readings it gives at face value. We have a thread on the limitations of Libre and other CGM which might be useful to you, so I will post a link below....
I hope you find some of that helpful.
 
Hi there - I'm sorry things are not great. I'd really recommend going on the daily thread which lots of us are on - it's a cheery support type of thread where you can just say what you've been doing, or just put your morning BG, or just read - but really nice way of feeling part of a bigger thing and not on your own with all this. It's the Group 7-day waking average group in General - I'll try to mention you and see if it then pings up in your notifications 🙂
Thanks, I'll do that. I was woken up at 3.2 (3am) went to 2.9. Had glucogel and a couple of sweets, went up to 10.2, fell asleep again at 7am. Had done my long acting 15 units and mu meds, fell asleep again and just woken up at 3.2!!
Tis crazy
 
Thanks, I'll do that. I was woken up at 3.2 (3am) went to 2.9. Had glucogel and a couple of sweets, went up to 10.2, fell asleep again at 7am. Had done my long acting 15 units and mu meds, fell asleep again and just woken up at 3.2!!
Tis crazy
Did you check the 2nd 3.2 with a finger prick in case it was a compression low. Otherwise as you say it is a bit strange.
 
Sorry to hear you are having such a difficult time with your unstable glucose levels @cupcakequeen71

Have you run a basal check recently? I’ve been having a bunch of extra dips towards low BG in the last 2 days, and I’m reducing my basal. Often seems to need to happen with warmer weather.
 
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