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Hi its been creeping in for awhile now and then its here im newly diagnosed type 2,it’s something I understand but have sort of ignored diet wise so am now really looking at changes,a question i have is ive been referred for the soup and shakes diet as i dont want medication but am eager to start it so does anyone know the process and timescale from referral to getting going,
 
Hi - the soup and shakes diet is, I think, the Newcastle diet (???) If it is, it's pretty damn tough by the sounds of things! no more than 800 cals a day for months!!! I couldn't do it at all, and it sounds terrifying quite frankly!

From what I've learnt here the main thing is to reduce all carbs (starch and sugar, savory and sweet) and replace with protein and fibre (and even fat, in that fat doesn't impact blood glucose levels when it's eaten )(though when the body 'raids' our fat stores for energy, then it does convert to glucose in the end).

The reommendation is not to swap too 'instantly' but more gradually.

Of course, if you like only liquid foods (I don't!) then the soup and shakes diet might well be possible. But it's still very low cal.

As for referral, if you just start changing your diet from carb-heavy to protein-fibre-fat heavy, plus become more exercise-active, then you don't need a referral at all. You can start to change your lifestyle immediately.
 
Hi im no good at cutting things out and so on i tend to cheat which is why the soup/shake diet would be a proper regime for me and im highly likely to stick to it im just eager to get going and the way things are at my docs is drawn out like appointment in 2 weeks then 2 weeks for follow up appointment and im getting my mind in gear now and just want to do it
 
If I'm right that the soup and shakes diet is the Newcastle one, I should think there is info both here, and on the Internet in general, about what the Newcastle diet consists of, which should get you going.
 
The time scale for referral implies there will also be support and maybe it will even be prescribed but unless you get free prescriptions you would probably still have to pay for them.
There are a few people here who have started on that regime and some who mention using shakes from Tesco or bought on line. I think @ColinUK has used various shakes.
 
Thanks for replies yes it sounds like it’s known as the Newcastle one,im just eager to get started and as its just recently been rolled out in West Yorkshire information is slim about how quick from referral to having the goods to start and i cant find any info on the process
 
Daztray said:
Hi its been creeping in for awhile now and then its here im newly diagnosed type 2,it’s something I understand but have sort of ignored diet wise so am now really looking at changes,a question i have is ive been referred for the soup and shakes diet as i dont want medication but am eager to start it so does anyone know the process and timescale from referral to getting going,
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Congratulations on getting a referral!! You are one of the lucky ones. ; )

You can only have been referred by your GP, and the NHS West Yorkshire Health and Care Partnership has been providing training to GPs about "referrals to the NHS Low Calorie Diet Programme": https://www.wypartnership.co.uk/our...ions-referrals-nhs-low-calorie-diet-programme .

So, if you ask your GP, s/he should be able to explain the process and the timescale, in particular how long you will have to wait before you actually 'get the goods' and get started.

If you ask your GP and s/he doesn't know, you could try asking the organisation providing the programme in West Yorkshire; their contact information here: https://xylahealthandwellbeing.com/...ient-information/west-yorkshire-patient-info/ .

All best wishes, and let us know how you get on!
 
Daztray said:
Hi its been creeping in for awhile now and then its here im newly diagnosed type 2,it’s something I understand but have sort of ignored diet wise so am now really looking at changes,a question i have is ive been referred for the soup and shakes diet as i dont want medication but am eager to start it so does anyone know the process and timescale from referral to getting going,
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Congratulations.
There is a lot of scaremongering by people that don't like the thought of cutting down on food, but it was overeating that got me diabetic in the first place.

The Newcastle diet is free if you are referred to it, as it's a course of treatment.
I did it myself, well before the NHS picked it up, I used Tesco shakes for eight weeks, then switched to a healthy Mediterranean style diet.
It was very easy, I didn't feel hungry at all on it.
I reversed my diabetes, it was well worth the effort, I didn't want diet control for life.
Hopefully the referral will be fast.
 
travellor said:
Congratulations.
There is a lot of scaremongering by people that don't like the thought of cutting down on food, but it was overeating that got me diabetic in the first place.

The Newcastle diet is free if you are referred to it, as it's a course of treatment.
I did it myself, well before the NHS picked it up, I used Tesco shakes for eight weeks, then switched to a healthy Mediterranean style diet.
It was very easy, I didn't feel hungry at all on it.
I reversed my diabetes, it was well worth the effort, I didn't want diet control for life.
Hopefully the referral will be fast.
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Although it’s now only academic for me, I was a bit peeved on seeing that this NHS roll-out would have been denied to me on two grounds, that on diagnosis I was aged over 65 and had a BMI of only 26.4. Clearly not worth a few soups to keep me alive!
 
Well, it's nice if the shakes and soups are paid for by the NHS if you are referred to the Newcastle diet, but why not start straight away anyway? It won't cost more than your existing food, and you won't be hanging around waiting for the NHS to fork out.

You might not want to tell your GP you've started on a self-funded Newcastle diet or they may not refer you for the free soups and shakes!!!
 
Callista said:
Well, it's nice if the shakes and soups are paid for by the NHS if you are referred to the Newcastle diet, but why not start straight away anyway? It won't cost more than your existing food, and you won't be hanging around waiting for the NHS to fork out.

You might not want to tell your GP you've started on a self-funded Newcastle diet or they may not refer you for the free soups and shakes!!!
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The NHS Low Calorie Diet Programme isn't just about handing people free soups and shakes for 12 weeks. It's about using meal replacements in the context of a year-long, evidence-based programme of support to try to achieve long-term behaviour change.

So it would be better for Daztray to speak to his/her GP (and if necessary Xyla) to find out when s/he will be starting the programme and also what they suggest would be best for him/her to do while waiting for 'kick-off'. ; )
 
Daztray said:
Hi its been creeping in for awhile now and then its here im newly diagnosed type 2,it’s something I understand but have sort of ignored diet wise so am now really looking at changes,a question i have is ive been referred for the soup and shakes diet as i dont want medication but am eager to start it so does anyone know the process and timescale from referral to getting going,
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Hi @Daztray , and welcome to the forum 🙂

As others in this thread have advised, it would be best to speak to your GP about your referral to the 'Soups and Shakes' scheme - but do feel free to let us know how you get on with the process. Wishing you all the best with this!

Just checking in to say please ask (ask, ask) any questions you may have, we're all here to help 🙂
 
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Hi im no good at cutting things out and so on i tend to cheat which is why the soup/shake diet would be a proper regime for me and im highly likely to stick to it im just eager to get going and the way things are at my docs is drawn out like appointment in 2 weeks then 2 weeks for follow up appointment and im getting my mind in gear now and just want to do it
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Did your doctor tell you what your HbA1C is as that is going to indicate how much work you might need to do be it the Soups and Shakes or any other approach.
I know some people have been told they don't qualify as their BMI is not high enough but if you have already had it recommended that hopefully will not be the case.
In the meanwhile there is a lot about it and how it works on the internet so if you look at that then you will be able to ask some pertinent questions at your appointment.
 
Leadinglights said:
Did your doctor tell you what your HbA1C is as that is going to indicate how much work you might need to do be it the Soups and Shakes or any other approach.
I know some people have been told they don't qualify as their BMI is not high enough but if you have already had it recommended that hopefully will not be the case.
In the meanwhile there is a lot about it and how it works on the internet so if you look at that then you will be able to ask some pertinent questions at your appointment.
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Its 55 and bmi 35 so gp says ive passed criteria
 
I did it myself with no support from the GP.
My recommendation would be to take a breathe and read all you can about it before you start, the Newcastle Uni paper is available to read online but there’s also Prof Roy Taylor’s book and other resources like Dr David Unwin’s stuff and Tom Watson’s book.
Prof Taylor is the man behind the Newcastle Diet research. Unwin is a GP who had prescribed it. Tom Watson, although he didn’t use the program specifically, did drop weight by cutting carbs and reversed his diabetes.
All three write in an accessible fashion and are worth reading.
There’s also a Michael Moseley bbc thing where he adopts the regime and gets his blood markers checked before, during and after.

It is not easy however it works if you can do it. What’s important is having the support that your GP referral will likely provide. I had none and that makes it tougher than it ought to be hence my suggestion that you do it on program. Also it’s quite expensive if you fund it yourself although bulk discounts on the shakes are often available.

I used Exante. I still use them from time to time. My BG is relatively stable but I didn’t achieve reversal but rather control and I’m happy with that given everything else I deal with.

I have a referral code for Exante which gives you cash back

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Take a look at the site, read things about it and make a decision. There’s also lots on here about it so search in the forum for Newcastle, Exante, VLCD and see what comes up.

And keep us in the loop as we’re here to help.
 
I find it really rather odd that I did work on the Cambridge diet development at the Symington factory in Market Harborough Leicestershire - for a Dr Howerd, back in the 1970s.
The different particle sizes made it difficult to pack the mixes consistently and there was a danger of overdoses of minerals as well as the vibration of the packing machine caused the material in the hopper to separate into size gradient layers.
As they say - it is a small world.
The flavours of the desserts were really excellent - I used to eat them regularly, but they have not been kept in the system - probably because they needed time to set up before eating, or perhaps they were not intended for the crash course but to ensure adequate nutrition in a second stage of the process.
 
ColinUK said:
What’s important is having the support that your GP referral will likely provide.
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Will definitely provide! The whole point of the programme Daztray has been referred to is that it comes with a whole year of regular, personalised support.
 
It just seems a shame to wait, as one must these days, for the NHS to get thigns going 'officially' when there is so much each of us can do the minute the warning flag for Diabetes goes up the flagpole.

So easy to 'take control' ourselves by reducing carbs and increasing exercise. Even if not massively (and I appreciate there may be good health reasons for keeping the change 'gradual') it does make a start on tackling the condition.

Then, if the referral does come through, and it all becomes official, great - but in the meantime you havcen't wasted the time before it does or, indeed, allowed your condition to worsen even more.

But then, I speak as someone who wouldn't do the Newcastle (or any other liquids only long term ultra low cal) diet if you paid me!!!! (not if there were any other way to tackle the diagnosis.)
 
Callista said:
It just seems a shame to wait, as one must these days, for the NHS to get thigns going 'officially' when there is so much each of us can do the minute the warning flag for Diabetes goes up the flagpole.

So easy to 'take control' ourselves by reducing carbs and increasing exercise. Even if not massively (and I appreciate there may be good health reasons for keeping the change 'gradual') it does make a start on tackling the condition.

Then, if the referral does come through, and it all becomes official, great - but in the meantime you havcen't wasted the time before it does or, indeed, allowed your condition to worsen even more.

But then, I speak as someone who wouldn't do the Newcastle (or any other liquids only long term ultra low cal) diet if you paid me!!!! (not if there were any other way to tackle the diagnosis.)
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I think we understand that.
You choose diet control for life.
Many of us chose to go down the reversal route.
To be fair though, my life would be worse without Greggs.
Your's I'm sure would be worse without eggs.
We all manage our diabetes differently.
(Technically, I don't manage it, I reversed it to be fair)
 
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