Hi, i am new here but I have something important to say.

[Maz2]

I'm a veggie/vegan for over 25 years for ethical reasons. I wouldn't push it on here though as it's not really the right place. What I can't abide are the LCHF evangelists who come on here like a broken record with one agenda trawling through posts repeating the same thing over and over and over. Not even participating in other aspects of the forum. Great, it's apparently 'worked' for you but it's not the only method. They're worse than the JW's and with them you don't open the door or shut it in their face. On here the equivalent would mean people not participating. Which is a shame.

could I ask you as a veggie/vegan what you eat to keep the carbs down. I do lower carb (pre-diabetic, went back to normal, gone back to pre-diabetic) but not too low. I eat fat but do my best to eat the "better" ones with the exception of cheese which I love. I do cook vegetarian meals from time to time as \I like a variety of different foods and types of meals.

 

[chaoticcar]

As a JW and eat lower carbs and higher fat I could have a fall out with @Matt Cycle !! But I am very tolerant
Carol

 

[Drummer]

I think that for many people doing LCHF their way of eating has been castigated for so long, and so hard, that they feel that they are swimming upstream all the time.

 

[Eddy Edson]

I think that for many people doing LCHF their way of eating has been castigated for so long, and so hard, that they feel that they are swimming upstream all the time.

Why care about anybody castigating? If it works for you, who cares what anybody else says?

 

[Drummer]

Why care about anybody castigating? If it works for you, who cares what anybody else says?

It is not easy when it goes on and on - I was threatened with being put in hospital and 'fed properly' when pregnant, I was told that non compliance with the various diet plans would result in all treatment of any sort being denied - this started in my early 20s and I am now 67 - I was told that the symptoms of my failed thyroid were down to not eating properly, for about ten years. I never got an annual health check at the clinic, I have not had much follow up on my diabetes. They wore me down so I was eating a cholesterol reducing diet - and in under two years was a full blown diabetic - but the test which revealed it should have been only for my thyroid function, but there was some sort of error and a full analysis was done. The doctor delayed telling me, and I have not seen him since - it can be hard to stay positive.

 

[Eddy Edson]

It is not easy when it goes on and on - I was threatened with being put in hospital and 'fed properly' when pregnant, I was told that non compliance with the various diet plans would result in all treatment of any sort being denied - this started in my early 20s and I am now 67 - I was told that the symptoms of my failed thyroid were down to not eating properly, for about ten years. I never got an annual health check at the clinic, I have not had much follow up on my diabetes. They wore me down so I was eating a cholesterol reducing diet - and in under two years was a full blown diabetic - but the test which revealed it should have been only for my thyroid function, but there was some sort of error and a full analysis was done. The doctor delayed telling me, and I have not seen him since - it can be hard to stay positive.

Sounds horrible - sympathies!

Low carb seems like the most common message on this forum. I do think that maybe other approaches get a bit obscured at times.

 

[everydayupsanddowns]

Sounds horrible - sympathies!

Low carb seems like the most common message on this forum. I do think that maybe other approaches get a bit obscured at times.

I don't think it's 'low carb' as such (there still aren't really agreed definitions to such things) - it seems to be 'eat to your meter'. For some people this will be quite low levels of carb, and some will opt for LCHF to increase satiety and maintain weight, but the general advice I see here is 'use a BG meter to find out which carbs and how much your individual body can cope with, then eat that'.

It's just that when members do that they tend to reduce their carbs a bit to keep BGs in line (certainly compared to RDA suggestions of 250-300g/day) - whether they are T2 on D&E or T1 on insulin.

Personally I don't think of myself as low carb at all (certainly not with the takeaway we had yesterday!), but I have reduced the carb load I have regularly at breakfast and lunch to make BGs more predictable and me less grumpy. 🙂

 

[Martin Canty]

'use a BG meter to find out which carbs and how much your individual body can cope with, then eat that'.

Exactly, Mike, we have to find out what our tolerances are... Myself, I thrive on LCHF though my wife (non-D) found it tough (we still eat reduced carb seeing as I do most of the cooking, but the pantry still has carby snacks for her). I totally "get" peoples choice for diets; my message is Test & Make from Scratch (wherever possible)

Having said that, I still would counsel people to cut or reduce major carb sources, particularly refined carbs.

 

[Matt Cycle]

could I ask you as a veggie/vegan what you eat to keep the carbs down. I do lower carb (pre-diabetic, went back to normal, gone back to pre-diabetic) but not too low. I eat fat but do my best to eat the "better" ones with the exception of cheese which I love. I do cook vegetarian meals from time to time as \I like a variety of different foods and types of meals.

Hi Maz. I don't purposely try and keep the carbs down it's just what I have. It varies quite a bit for me but on average I'm on 150-200g a day. Not sure where that fits in with the grand scheme of things. Can be less or more than that of course. Evening meal I always make myself - tonight It's moroccan style chickpea and aubergine with onion, garlic, chopped tomatoes, cumin, coriander and cinnamon. Fairly simple - it has to be if I'm doing it. I'll have it with brown rice - total carbs 65g. Often have a curry using Linda Mac pulled chicken with veg and a pataks paste again with brown rice. Jacket potato with houmous and tomatoes, carrots, cucumber. Tempeh with egg free mayo, mustard, lemon, red pepper in wholemeal pitta. Soya mince bolognaise with veg and wholemeal pasta. Tuscan bean soup - onions, garlic, thyme, tomato puree, carrots, tomatoes, cannellini beans, lentils. I guess you could cut the pasta/rice etc out of these. These are all fairly quick and simple. Farmfoods have quite a good range of veggie meat substitutes (veggie kitchen) that are lowish carb.

 

[Matt Cycle]

As a JW and eat lower carbs and higher fat I could have a fall out with @Matt Cycle !! But I am very tolerant
Carol

Oops, glad to hear that Carol. 😳 Generally I did speak to them debating aspects of the bible when they came knocking. Many years ago I asked one of them 'you believe in a literal translation of the bible yet there are people in the bible hundreds of years old, Methuselah was over 900. That is impossible.' Quick as a flash she said 'yes, but in those days we didn't have the diseases we have now like aids and cancer.' We agreed to disagree on that and I was given a copy of the Watchtower.

 

[chaoticcar]

Oops, glad to hear that Carol. 😳 Generally I did speak to them debating aspects of the bible when they came knocking. Many years ago I asked one of them 'you believe in a literal translation of the bible yet there are people in the bible hundreds of years old, Methuselah was over 900. That is impossible.' Quick as a flash she said 'yes, but in those days we didn't have the diseases we have now like aids and cancer.' We agreed to disagree on that and I was given a copy of the Watchtower.

You are forgiven !! I will remember to be balanced about low carb high fat diets !

 

[chaoticcar]

I can't post emoji they won't appear sorry you will have to imagine the one I was sending you !! ( they work on other forums fora ?)
Carol

 

[Deleted member 21371]

I don't find this forum "low carb"
It seems to encourage a variety of responses, which is why it seems to work for many people.

Although it is interesting to read about the journey some have made.
I have seen it said before, many times, that low carb suits some who have tried low calorie diets for most of their life, and found now that their metabolism may have been affected. And it seems medical advice led to the low calorie diet, so there is a lot of feeling towards a diet that doesn't conform to the current medical guidelines.

I find I'm the opposite.
I simply overate, and never dieted.
I put weight on.
Mea cupla

So when I did decide to lose weight, and eat less, I found my metabolism had no adverse effects, my medical team were supportive, and I didn't have any antagonism towards them.
Which worked well, as I reveres my type 2, and can now eat normally.

But, I eat fresh food, when I can, I eat healthy fats, healthy carbs, and healthy proteins now.
(Which is what my doctor told me to many decades ago)

 

[mikeyB]

This discussion shows only one thing. Everybody is different.

Whatever floats your boat, whatever diet you follow, is yours and yours alone. If your diabetes is controlled, it doesn’t mean that anyone else will benefit. If your weight is controlled, your method might not suit everyone.

Can’t we just accept this and get on with life? Advise, inform, but don’t proselytise.

 

[Deleted member 21371]

This discussion shows only one thing. Everybody is different.

Whatever floats your boat, whatever diet you follow, is yours and yours alone. If your diabetes is controlled, it doesn’t mean that anyone else will benefit. If your weight is controlled, your method might not suit everyone.

Can’t we just accept this and get on with life? Advise, inform, but don’t proselytise.

Entirely agree. This is exactly what @Matt Cycle was saying.

 

[Eddy Edson]

This discussion shows only one thing. Everybody is different.

Whatever floats your boat, whatever diet you follow, is yours and yours alone. If your diabetes is controlled, it doesn’t mean that anyone else will benefit. If your weight is controlled, your method might not suit everyone.

Can’t we just accept this and get on with life? Advise, inform, but don’t proselytise.

Yay!

If people don't want to buy my forthcoming "Dr Eddy's Miracle Chia Diabetes Diet" book it's their loss.

 

[Eddy Edson]

I don't think it's 'low carb' as such (there still aren't really agreed definitions to such things) - it seems to be 'eat to your meter'. For some people this will be quite low levels of carb, and some will opt for LCHF to increase satiety and maintain weight, but the general advice I see here is 'use a BG meter to find out which carbs and how much your individual body can cope with, then eat that'.

It's just that when members do that they tend to reduce their carbs a bit to keep BGs in line (certainly compared to RDA suggestions of 250-300g/day) - whether they are T2 on D&E or T1 on insulin.

Personally I don't think of myself as low carb at all (certainly not with the takeaway we had yesterday!), but I have reduced the carb load I have regularly at breakfast and lunch to make BGs more predictable and me less grumpy. 🙂

I absolutely think that "eat to yr meter" is the best advice, and obviously that will often result in carbs < the usual guideline levels. Following that route, I went down to maybe 60g-70g carbs, without really wanting to reduce them. But then recently I've upped it to 150g+, with better BG results, by increasing fibre to the generally recommended ~30g levels. I suspect that I could get close to the 250g - 300g carb level by further increasing fibre. Obviously, that's just me & I wouldn't dream of eg going on a newbie thread & telling them that they have to do things the way I do.

What gets to me a bit is when I see newbies being told in definitive terms that such-and-such is true for all T2's: no more than Xg of carbs; no this-or-that fruits or vegetables etc etc. Or that such things are true for most T2's - it may be the case, but how would anyone know?

People generally don't want to argue; I think most lurkers (by far the majority of any audience in just about any on-line venue I've ever known much about) get put off by fruitless debate; and debate isn't appropriate for newbie threads.

The risk can be that people who aren't invested in strong, simple positions go away & that communities divide into their own separate echo-chambers for those who are. I've seen it happen over & over again, beginning with the olden days of USENET, when it was a DARPA-funded platform at universities for academics to flaunt their various personality defects & threaten to sue each other.

It's probably not that big a deal. Really, I think this place does one of the best jobs I've ever seen in getting the moderation balance right.

 

[chaoticcar]

I agree that we shouldn't push the My way is best line for instance many imply that losing weight is the best thing to do for type 2 diabetes ,if I did this I would weigh about 3stone !!!!
Carol

 

[Deleted member 21371]

I agree that we shouldn't push the My way is best line for instance many imply that losing weight is the best thing to do for type 2 diabetes ,if I did this I would weigh about 3stone !!!!
Carol

That's why I find it odd people can jump straight in with advice sometimes, without finding out about the people they are giving it to.