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Hello - T1 new here.

mikeysaurus

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Type 1
Hello all!

I’m new here but not to this. Type1 from childhood but now 37. Just want to say hello to everyone…

Mike
 
Hi @mikeysaurus and welcome to the forum - glad you have found us - we're a friendly bunch and are all here to help and support each other - someone with your experience I'm sure can benefit lots of us - you can share as much or as little about your Diabetes as you feel comfortable 🙂
 
Hi Mike and welcome from me too.

Would you like to tell us a bit about how you manage your diabetes? Which insulin(s) you use and MDI or a pump and if so which pump. Hopefully you have a CGM (Constant Glucose Monitor) to help keep of your levels and find that useful.

Is there anything particular which brings you to the forum at this time? Most of us find it is incredibly helpful to be able to compare notes with others facing similar challenges and the forum is a goldmine of knowledge and practical experience, so it is great to have your extensive experience added to this resource but also you will likely find it really enlightening and comforting reading about others experiences and issues. Diabetes can be a bit isolating and much as our nearest and dearest try to be supportive, "muggles" can't really understand the full impact of managing the condition, whereas here we "get it"! So if you have any issues that you are finding frustrating and want some ideas how others manage it, or just want to have a rant about the unfairness or unpredictability of it at times or share a recent success story, we are all up for celebrating any diabetes triumphs with you or commiserating when it doesn't go to plan or offer suggestions as to what works for us, if you have a particular issue.

Look forward to getting to know you better.
 
Morning!

Thank you for you welcome messages!

Sure, so yeah I’m Type 1 on MDI. Taking Tresiba at night and TruRapi as required. Supposedly this is a cheaper alternative to the NovoRapid but I’m not so sure it’s actually working the same and the pens are awful as I keep having them jam up or skip “clicks” on me. I’ve also got an interactive Thyroid so on thyroxine for that. I’m guessing there’s a link as I’ve seen quite a few people with both now.

I’d love to be on a pump but getting one seems really difficult!

I use the Libre2 at the moment. A few years ago I self funded the Dexcom 6 and loved it but then it ended up being a little too expensive due to changes at home and found out I could get on NHS. They put me on the Dexcom One which felt like a massive backwards step and they just seemed to keep failing. I ended up switching to the Libre on prescription which seems to work well for me at the moment.

I’ve joined as if I’m honest I’m struggling at the moment and thought it may help having contact with others in the same boat, like you say our immediate support networks do just that but don’t necessarily fully get it. In terms of my experience of being T1D I’m probably the textbook case of how to NOT manage it effectively but hey, if that can go some way to teaching newer people then at least I’ve done something.

As a child back in the day where it was two injection ox mixed insulin with fixed mealtimes etc that my parents used to do it was pretty well controlled. Then I “rebelled” in my late teens early twenties and have paid for it as I’ve got retinopathy in both eyes, had laser on both and operations (vitrectomy) on both due to haemorrhages. Now I’ve got one good eye (treated privately operated on within a couple of days) and one bad eye done on NHS which was left for months before they decided to operate.

Right now I’m really struggling with control and struggling to get help with it. Trying to get an appointment at my GP is near on impossible (been trying for ages) and trying to get an appointment with the hospital is the same I just keep getting told I need to do the course but there is a several months wait list. Fine last year I accepted waited for a date and they gave me literally 3 days notice for something I’d need to take every Friday off for a month for. What was I supposed to do with that I was already committed to jobs for work. I let them know this and that I wanted another date but needed more notice…. Nothing.

In terms of what’s happening it’s as if the Tresiba isn’t working. I can go to sleep fine and wake up “HI” every day. No hypo overnight. During the day it will go up and I have to keep taking TruRapi to keep it down. When I say that I mean I inject for meals as normal but have to keep it topped up throughout the day.

Ha, sorry for my ramblings but thanks for listening.

Mike
 
Hi Mike @mikeysaurus, welcome also from me. I have Tresiba as my basal and find it great for me; I'm only 5 yrs into this D malarkey so still wrestling with the ever-changing behaviour of my D. But I have learnt a few "things", some from trial and learning.

My immediate thought was how long have you been on Tresiba, how much was explained about it when you made the change to Tresiba and is your current dose right. Also, even though you've been T1 for a long time, what sort of Hospital based support are you currently getting for your D specifically, have you been on a DAFNE course recently and thus are you being kept up to date with changing methods and approaches?

Incidentally have you tried replacing your Tresiba and Trurapi pens or cartridges? In case the insulins you have in use is compromised?

But first: others here on the forum, regularly say get your basal right or your bolus is trying to do both jobs of covering for food and corrections as well as trying to manage background insulin requirements. I agree with that, its been my experience. There is a basal testing process, but this testing process was developed before the majority of those of us had any CGM and (I think most importantly) before Tresiba was in use. Tresiba is a relatively new insulin, particularly in UK and it is sufficiently different that the traditional ways of using basal might not be so relevant. So I don't find I need to use the traditional basal testing process, although there can be merit in understanding what your day by day basal needs seem to be. I'm retired, active, busy and don't have structured days of waking, working and weekends of recovery (or frantic time squeezing).

Tresiba is, as far as I know, the only basal that lasts some 40-48 hours. It's profile suggests it should take 2 hrs to get going, then release very evenly for the next 2 days. Today's Tresiba dose is topping up yesterday's dose which makes Tresiba both inflexible yet potentially extremely dependable. Inflexible, because a Tresiba dose change takes at least 2 days to become effective, better 3 days and needs 2 or 3 days to feel the change or see the outcome of that dose change on your CGM daily graph. Dependable (and reassuring) because once you know your Tresiba dose is right you don't keep adjusting it, you don't have to make that daily juggle between "should I adjust my basal or my bolus today?". You just lean on the certainty that Tresiba is doing it's job steadily in the background and thus look to your bolus. So, how do you know your Tresiba is right?

The harsh reality is that our background insulin requirements vary a lot during any one 24 hr period and vary from one day to the next. Those people on a pump can do a series of fasting tests, say in 8 hour blocks over several days. They can get a good sense of which parts of the day their body is getting glucose releases, triggered by a multitude of hormones including adrenaline and cortisol, then programme their pump to release different amounts of insulin every hour, every day. We, on MDI, don't have that luxury.

NB: As far as our body is concerned insulin is just ..... well .... insulin! Your body doesn't necessarily recognise what is home grown or delivered extraneously. Nor does it know that it was meant to be there for the food and is short acting, or has been engineered to be very long acting and help manage a glucose surge triggered by an emotion, or that heavy cold you have and don't yet know about (but will reveal itself tomorrow with the sore throat and streaming nose). If there is insulin available in your blood, your body will use it regardless of where it came from. So getting your background insulin right, day after day week after week is potentially a true challenge. [I ought to add that some people may well find some extraneous insulins suit individuals better than others - so we are lucky that we do have choices].

This is why, in my non-medical opinion, taking Tresiba needs a very different mindset to using other basals. I optimise my Tresiba daily dose to keep me very steady through the longest fasting part of my 24 hr day, from late evening to breakfast. Breakfast can be early or midday; my overnight fast can be 6 hours or over 14 hours. Of course Tresiba is also still releasing steadily while I'm awake and so whatever Tresiba is providing to my daytime party "is what it is". I can't accurately reconcile for that daytime background need and so must manage daytime insulin requirements with food, bolus and exercise/activity, aware that Tresiba is also at my party, quietly in the backround. The lifesaving tool in this juggling is my CGM. So much information, showing trends as well as the equivalence of spot checks from a finger prick test.

I optimise my Tresiba to give me decent horizontal graphs overnight. If a night gets interrupted from my norm - then that night graph may not be usable. So a late party, ending with a very late snack, doesn't count. But that different activity often gives me explanation for the consequent different night graph. I use exercise and/or bolus corrections to try and manipulate my BG ahead of the start of the long fast to be around 6-7 mmol/L. For me with no pancreas whatsover, if lower than 6 I can crash very quickly and although my CGM alerts will wake me up it's still an interrupted night's sleep! If my straight overnight graphs are steadily (and repeatedly) sloping down my Tresiba is too strong. If my overnight graphs are repeatedly rising, my Tresiba needs increasing.

Over a 12 month period I expect to tweak my Tresiba between winter and summer, then reverse that from summer to winter. My basal needs definitely change with the seasons: I need 7.5 units in summer and so far this winter I'm at 9 units. Because of the 48hr profile of Tresiba I won't change it for short overseas trips to a different climate. But I did change it a couple of years ago when I found myself in hospital for nearly 4 weeks and that period of enforced limited mobility, plus post op recovery, did noticeably show that my basal needs had changed.

Tresiba in 2022 was still sufficiently new in UK, that the pre-op advice for insulin dependent people was very wrong. I was told to stop my basal on the day of hospital admission and had to point out that the written advice from the Hospital's Endo dep't was out of date and inappropriate for my long lasting Tresiba. I have also found that Health Care Professionals (HCPs) don't have much awareness of quite basic differences between T1 and T2, never mind how different managing MDI can be between using Levermir or Tresiba as a basal insulin.

Sorry this is a long meander offering more insight in using Tresiba. You may already know all of this and it could be your body and your lifestyle just needs a fundamental review leading to different insulins. But only changing one thing at a time! Have you come across Gary Scheiner's book "Think Like A Pancreas"? I found it helpful.
 
Welcome to the forum @mikeysaurus

Hope you have found it helpful to write down your experiences, and worries. I found that a huge help when I first started comparing notes with others online, as it sort of made me think about things in a different way.

How long has your Tresiba been misbehaving? It’s no fun to wake up to those levels every day, and must be making you feel pretty grim :(

Might it be a dodgy pen or cartridge? Could the insulin be ‘off’? Or has it continued through multiple pens?

How are your sites? Any lumps or dodgy spots that have built up over the years? I was grumbling the other day because I’ve a few spaces where my absorption is a bit pants, and I managed to hit one with an infusion set which sent my BGs sky-rocketing / crashing as the insulin wouldn’t absorb, and then would all arrive at once (or at least that’s what it felt like).

Have you ever conducted a fasting basal test to check that your basal is only doing what it should (holding your BGs level when you have no rapid insulin on board). There’s a method of doing that here:
https://www.mysugr.com/en/blog/basal-rate-testing/

Sounds like you’ve had a frustrating time trying to access structured education. It’s not quite the same as learning in a group and exchanging experiences, but do you think an online e-learning option might help? There’s a very DAFNE-like course offered free of charge by the NHS in Bournemouth that you could try:
www.bertieonline.org.uk
 
Welcome to the forum @mikeysaurus . Glad that you have joined us. It is good to tap into other people’s experience and I have definitely learnt most of what I know from others on here. It is great that you are looking to improve your management and it is a pity that you are struggling to get support with this.

I recently did a DAFNE course online but this was specifically for the more recent closed loop system, so I am not sure whether the initial DAFNE is available online. The one I did was modules that I could use when it suited me. As @everydayupsanddowns mentioned if that is not possible there is the BErTIE course which is similar to DAFNE.

Could you write to your GP requesting a referral to the hospital diabetes team (although I suspect that you will already have done this) . It sounds like you need some time with the DSNs to reset and review your insulin(s) and to consider other options.

Our basal needs vary so much during the day so with MDI it is a matter of finding the best match with a basal insulin of an appropriate profile. Some basals can be split morning and evening which allows flexibility in altering doses. Each choice has their quirks and you can see the analytical approach that @Proud to be erratic has used to make it work for them.

With any insulin misbehaving it is worth changing to a different cartridge in case the insulin has denatured. Has your fridge had a blip. Could you get a new supply?

I eventually found that switching to a pump helped my levels overnight as I was then able to change my basal rate of insulin hour by hour and made it match my needs. I was dealing with the opposite and having night hypos which any changes I made did not consistently overcome.

Let us know how you get on with getting the support you are asking for.
 
Wow thank you for sharing your thoughts and tips. A lot of reading there so I’ll have to circle back around to some of the points.

First and foremost I am (or at least was) seen by both the GP and the Hospital team. We dont seem to have DAFNE here on the south coast, the hospital wanted me to do “Jigsaw” which I presume is a similar thing. However as I mentioned they sent me a confirmation with only a few days notice by which time I already had work commitments. I asked for another date a few times but have heard nothing back. Also having major issues getting into see the diabetes nurse at the GP so seem to be stuck at the moment.

In terms of the issues with the Tresiba I’ve been on it 4-5 years I think and have been having this problem for over a year now. So yes, we’ve cycled through plenty of new cartridges and have also tried a couple of replacement pens. We’ve tried it fresh from the chemist and from the fridge nothing seems to make any difference. I’m taking 60units of the stuff at the moment, I’ve tried adjusting up and giving it a few days to catch up but still no difference. It’s almost like I have a resistance to it.

Prior to the Tresiba I was on another one, I want to say Lantus… but the hospital changed me from that but I can’t remember why now.

I’ll take a look into that BertieOnline link (thanks for sending it) and also to see if there is any scope to get into a DAFNE course elsewhere.

Thanks for the information so far… more from you guys in a couple of messages than I’ve had from my care team in over a year!

Thanks
Mike
 
A hasty acknowledgement, with a quick follow-on:
1. Have you or a close friend/relation done a careful scrutiny of regular injection sites, to make sure you're not using zones that need a decent recovery period. Check for "lypos"? Lypohypertrophic sites can take several months to recover

2. Frequently the D nurse in a GP's surgery spends most of their time with T2 patients who are not insulin dependent, so don't be too surprised if their knowledge of the peculiarities of T1 are outside of their day to day experience.

3. Thanks for clarifying that your Tresiba stock should be in fine form. 60 units daily suggests you have pretty high natural insulin resistance hence a sizeable amount of extraneous is needed. When large quantities of insulin is injected the philosophy of "small is beautiful" frequently applies; more insulin means more room for some (lots even) to go astray and not reach the intended destination. I've read about this, can't remember exactly where, so need to go rummaging .... perhaps another forum member has this near their fingertips.

4. What Time in Range (TIR) are you currently achieving and were you achieving some 12+ months ago?

Have you tried a polite but robust email to your Hospital Team, or the last named Consultant you saw, seeking urgent help. They all seem to be busy, but sometimes priorities can be rearranged from a prod into someone's conscience and do what is "right and proper".

In haste, busy for now, should get a proper window tomorrow to explore further options that might occur to me.
 
Hi. Sorry to hear you are having such problems. It must be very concerning. How do you respond to the Trurapi? Is it as effective as ever or have you needed to increase your insulin:carb ratos with that as well as needing corrections to deal a rising baseline?
What insulin:carb ratios do you use for each meal time?.... Assuming you do carb count or are you on fixed doses of Trurapi?
Can you post a photo of a typical daily graph from your Libre, so we can get an idea of what is going on?

Where do you inject your basal insulin? Have you tried using different sites? What are your injection sites like? Have they started to get lumpy?

Have you gained a bit of weight recently or perhaps become more sedentary or both? Exercise can really help if you are developing insulin resistance and it doesn't have to be anything overly exertive. A 20 min walk after each meal can make a big difference.

Really hope we can give you a few ideas to help you make some improvement because it must be absolutely awful waking up with levels so high. I don't sleep well when I am above 8, so I imagine your sleep must be seriously impacted and I would imagine trips to the loo are rather too frequent with levels that high too.
 
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