Hello from an old 'un

Bernie 2

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I have been Type 2 for many years but still have some unanswered queries about this disease, especially now during Covid.
 

Lilian

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I shouldn't imagine the EXPERT courses are running now, but if they are, or when they resume, that is the best place to get every questioin asked. They are/were brilliant.
 

Ralph-YK

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Welcome to the forum Bernie, from a fellow T2.
Ask away.
 

Lilian

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You can register online to the Desmond online program.
I think Desmond could be type 2 on insulin, the Expert Course (also apply online I think), is for type 2 s not on insulin
 

SB2015

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I have been Type 2 for many years but still have some unanswered queries about this disease, especially now during Covid.
Welcome to the forum @Bernie 2

Some of the education courses have moved online and are still available. The courses in each area have different names and it may be best to ask your surgery to ask what is available. As others have said they can be a very useful opportunity to get together with others (even virtually).

There is also plenty of help available on here, so feel free to ask any questions that you have. Nothing is considered silly on here.
 

Ralph-YK

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I think Desmond could be type 2 on insulin, the Expert Course (also apply online I think), is for type 2 s not on insulin
Desmond is for any T2, regardless of medication/management of their diabetes. Along with some local provision out there. I believe Expert is too.
I've done Desmond; and a local provision (based on Expert I believe).

Is there actually any provision for T2s using insulin?
 

Ralph-YK

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The courses in each area have different names and it may be best to ask your surgery to ask what is available.
Some areas have Demond, which is 2 half days. Others have Expert (not to be confused with Expert Patient Program (EPP)), which is 6 half days. Some have provision created locally, with whatever name the local provider has landed on.
Some areas have extra, separate sessions. My area does. Though they don't actually promote or run them. This includes a carbohydrates session (which is discouraged if brought up at a Desmond session). Some of these may included things that make up the longer Expert course.

Some diabetic support groups have gone online, doing Zoom meetings. They may actually be doing more meetings than before. You could always check them out.
 

grovesy

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I think Desmond could be type 2 on insulin, the Expert Course (also apply online I think), is for type 2 s not on insulin
No the Desmond is for Type 2 , of all kinds, it was offered in some areas but during the pandemic has gone on line . As have many training programs.
 

Anitram

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I shouldn't imagine the EXPERT courses are running now, but if they are, or when they resume, that is the best place to get every questioin asked. They are/were brilliant.
Mine wasn't. I quit after the 3rd session, mainly because the person running it constantly dismissed self-testing as a waste of time, claiming that the only people promoting it were those who sold the kits, and also pushing what I thought was out-dated dietary advice around the Eatwell Plate.

Eatwell Plate has now been dropped and replaced by the Eatwell Guide 2020, so must find time to take a look and see what's changed.

Martin
 

trophywench

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LOL @Anitram - have you personally ever googled the words "test review adjust" - when I do I get both the link to Alan Shanley's Blog, and to the BMJ article they published which is the direct copy of the Blog page!

Wasn't aware the BMJ were ever in the business of publishing a load of old bollards ......
 

Anitram

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LOL @Anitram - have you personally ever googled the words "test review adjust" - when I do I get both the link to Alan Shanley's Blog, and to the BMJ article they published which is the direct copy of the Blog page!

Wasn't aware the BMJ were ever in the business of publishing a load of old bollards ......
I'm not sure what point you're making. Everything the DN running my XPERT course said about testing is at odds not only with Shanley's piece but with my own regime.

Martin
 

trophywench

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Oh - I've not heard you say before that you don't agree with testing before and after meals, to see what that particular food did to your BG and if it happened to be a greater increase than you wanted, adjusting what you ate so that you reduced or eliminated the unwanted increase.

So what method do you use ?
 

everydayupsanddowns

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Oh - I've not heard you say before that you don't agree with testing before and after meals, to see what that particular food did to your BG and if it happened to be a greater increase than you wanted, adjusting what you ate so that you reduced or eliminated the unwanted increase.

So what method do you use ?
As far as I am aware @Anitram is a firm advocate of self monitoring / test-review-adjust style approaches. I think he walked out of the Expert course because the course leader dismissed the approach.

I quit [the XPERT course] after the 3rd session, mainly because the person running it constantly dismissed self-testing as a waste of time
:)
 
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Anitram

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Oh - I've not heard you say before that you don't agree with testing before and after meals, to see what that particular food did to your BG and if it happened to be a greater increase than you wanted, adjusting what you ate so that you reduced or eliminated the unwanted increase.

So what method do you use ?
I've never said I don't agree with testing before and after meals. I regularly advise Newbies to do precisely that.

I was told at the outset that as a T2 my post-prandial should be less than 8.5 and apart from the first 2 weeks it always has been, bar an 8.8 on one occasion. Not had that meal since. I have over a year's data in my food diary so I know what our regular meals do to my BG, so there's no point in me wasting lancets and test strips, especially when self-funding, as I know that there's nothing in my diet that causes much of a spike.

Martin
 

trophywench

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Sorry Martin - I read your post as saying you didn't agree with Test Review Adjust - which I've agreed with since the very first time I read it. It's always made perfect sense to me and furthermore saves shedloads of people the trouble of typing it themseves!
 

Anitram

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Sorry Martin - I read your post as saying you didn't agree with Test Review Adjust - which I've agreed with since the very first time I read it. It's always made perfect sense to me and furthermore saves shedloads of people the trouble of typing it themseves!
It seems the only person it didn't make sense to was the DN running my xPERT course.

Martin
 

SueEK

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I have been Type 2 for many years but still have some unanswered queries about this disease, especially now during Covid.
Hi Bernie, why don’t you go ahead and ask us your questions, I’m sure somebody here will be able to help you. Oh and welcome :)
 

SueEK

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@Bernie 2 ive just seen your other post and sorry, as the others say if it’s to do with medication we prefer not to comment as we would t want to get it wrong, if it’s anything else, go ahead
 
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