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Well yes, carb-wise they really aren't as bad as lots of other packets of crisps etc. (But that's if it's the small 16.5gram bags) But, we're just trying to encourage you to eat sufficient food that will not increase your blood glucose at meal times which will help you trying to avoid needing snacks - OR find maybe protein snacks with no carbs.
 
Well yes, carb-wise they really aren't as bad as lots of other packets of crisps etc. (But that's if it's the small 16.5gram bags) But, we're just trying to encourage you to eat sufficient food that will not increase your blood glucose at meal times which will help you trying to avoid needing snacks - OR find maybe protein snacks with no carbs.
im resisting temptation 🙂
 
im resisting temptation

im resisting temptation 🙂
Dr Jason Fung in his book The Diabetes Code has the theory that people create a vicious circle of eating high carb meals which causes over production of insulin which then makes them feel hungry so they eat high carb snacks and the cycle is repeated. Not everyone agrees with this theory however to me it makes sense. So having low carb meals with protein and healthy fats means reduction in hunger between meals and less temptation to eat high carb snacks.
Protein snacks can be the Nature Valley protein nut bars or shop own equivalent as they are filling and less than 10g carb per bar (35-40g bars)
 
I'm so sorry everyone, before you read what I'm about to say, because it's a bit of a religious thingy which is really a No No on a forum.

I was christened Methodist and so always more than encouraged to attend Chapel and Sunday School, and I loved the tunes and some of the words of the cheerful hymns. The very second I read @markbsac post above, "I'm resisting temptation" I instantly remembered the first words of a very very old hymn that has a serious message, OK - but such a cheerful tune! "Yield not to temptation, for yielding is sin. Each victory will help you, some other to win" Though nowt whatsoever directly to do with diabetes of course - surely that basic message in the first two lines I quote are a bit appropriate when we're all trying to control some inner desire to eat crap! Just made me instantly giggle. Yeah - the little victories do indeed encourage us to gird up our loins and fight the next little skirmish, don't they?

More or less, exactly how we've traditionally been informed is the only way possible a person could eat a whole elephant!
 
Dr Jason Fung in his book The Diabetes Code has the theory that people create a vicious circle of eating high carb meals which causes over production of insulin which then makes them feel hungry so they eat high carb snacks and the cycle is repeated. Not everyone agrees with this theory however to me it makes sense. So having low carb meals with protein and healthy fats means reduction in hunger between meals and less temptation to eat high carb snacks.
Protein snacks can be the Nature Valley protein nut bars or shop own equivalent as they are filling and less than 10g carb per bar (35-40g bars)

Some of Fung's books are actually quite low when scored for scientific accuracy.

These books have no clinical data to back up their claims and in Fung's case he quite often bases his whole 'theory' on a single point that he has extrapolated (Insulin isn't the *only* way the body stores fat, for instance, as other pathways exists and are used for dietary fat, and it's far more complex - it's possible to get fat with low levels of insulin as dietary fat is also stored in adipose tissues)
 
Some of Fung's books are actually quite low when scored for scientific accuracy.

These books have no clinical data to back up their claims and in Fung's case he quite often bases his whole 'theory' on a single point that he has extrapolated (Insulin isn't the *only* way the body stores fat, for instance, as other pathways exists and are used for dietary fat, and it's far more complex - it's possible to get fat with low levels of insulin as dietary fat is also stored in adipose tissues)
That's why I said not everyone agrees with his theories, I was given the book by my daughter who is a doctor.
 
That's why I said not everyone agrees with his theories, I was given the book by my daughter who is a doctor.

It's not a case of disagreeing with his theories - they've been refuted with experiments and clinical research, and his understanding of the subject is generally based on misunderstandings (His field is something totally different.)

Here's one:


The carbohydrate–insulin model predicts a greater rate of body fat loss during the KD period. Our data do not support this prediction because body fat loss slowed on transition to the KD, possibly because of augmented utilization of body protein, as indicated by the increased urinary nitrogen excretion that persisted until day 11 of the KD period. The rate of fat loss during the final 2 wk of the KD was similar to that of the baseline period.

(Where KD is a ketogenic diet, and BD is the baseline diet.)

He's not a reliable source of information, IMHO:

 
hi im reading that even the protein ones are not good for us

Welcome to the forum @markbsac

There are always differences of opinion, and differences of approach with a condition like diabetes. And folks here will mostly be making suggestions based on their own experience, and what worked for them, or things they have read which seemed to fit with their experience and make sense to them.

I don’t think there are really any hard and fast ‘rules’ - and there’s no one approach that would work for everyone. Some suggestions will have a greater weight of research evidence behind them, but even those data won’t apply equally to everyone (we all remember tales of someone’s aunt or second cousin who smoked 40 woodbines a day washed down with a daily bottle of scotch who lived to be 96, fit as a flea, before dying in a freak hang-gliding accident).

In terms of snacks and occasional treats, it seems wise to recognise them as an enjoyable part of a flexible way of eating, but by their very nature probably not likely to be all that good for us in excess - so keeping the frequency down and not having them as a constant part of the menu is probably prudent. However, I do find it helpful to have occasional treats and foods every so often to add enjoyment and variety 🙂.

Attempting complete abstinence from things usually leads to me feeling deprived and frustrated - whereas I can happily do without things I’ve decided just don’t balance on the scales of BG upheaval vs enjoyment. Essentially, the more. enjoy things, the more BG wobbliness I am prepared to accept, but the less frequently I choose to enjoy them 🙂
 
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Welcome to the forum @markbsac

There are always differences of opinion, and differences of approach with a condition like diabetes. And folks here will mostly be making suggestions based on their own experience, and what worked for them, or things they have read which seemed to fit with their experience and make sense to them.

I don’t think there are really any hard and fast ‘rules’ - and there’s no one approach that would work for everyone. Some suggestions will have a greater weight of research evidence behind them, but even those data won’t apply equally to everyone (we all remember tales of someone’s aunt or second cousin who smoked 40 woodbines a day washed down with a daily bottle of scotch who lived to be 96, fit as a flea, before dying in a freak hang-gliding accident).

In terms of snacks and occasional treats, it seems wise to recognise them as an enjoyable part of a flexible way of eating, but by their very nature probably not likely to be all that good for us in excess - so keeping the frequency down and not having them as a constant part of the menu is probably prudent. However, I do find it helpful to have occasional treats and foods every so often to add enjoyment and variety 🙂.

Attempting complete abstinence from things usually leads to me feeling deprived and frustrated - whereas I can happily do without things I’ve decided just don’t balance on the scales of BG upheaval vs enjoyment. Essentially, the more. enjoy things, the more BG wobbliness I am prepared to accept, but the less frequently I choose to enjoy them 🙂
yes ive not had cornflakes for 2 weeks now and i wanted something different for breakfast to take my tablets with...so i weighed out 20grams ...hopefully my blood sugar monitor will be here today so i can keep a closer eye on things....thanks for you reply
 
hopefully my blood sugar monitor will be here today so i can keep a closer eye on things....thanks for you reply

Taking a reading immediately before eating, and another 2hrs later can be a very direct way of assessing how your body and your unique combination of metabolism / gut biome responds to different foods.

Generally T2s here who are ’eating to their meter’ aim for a meal rise of 2-3mmol/L, aiming to peak at no higher than 8.5mmol/L.

Initially the actual numbers may be higher, but by aiming to keep the rise down to 2-3mmol/L, the overall levels can begin to fall gradually over a number of weeks, which is gentler on the eyes and nerve endings 🙂
 
Taking a reading immediately before eating, and another 2hrs later can be a very direct way of assessing how your body and your unique combination of metabolism / gut biome responds to different foods.

Generally T2s here who are ’eating to their meter’ aim for a meal rise of 2-3mmol/L, aiming to peak at no higher than 8.5mmol/L.

Initially the actual numbers may be higher, but by aiming to keep the rise down to 2-3mmol/L, the overall levels can begin to fall gradually over a number of weeks, which is gentler on the eyes and nerve endings 🙂
and along with 4 metformin a day will these also help with this ?
 
and along with 4 metformin a day will these also help with this ?

Metformin is the usual ‘first line’ medication for T2. It is very widely offered, and has a solid track record.

It works by building up in the body over time, and reducing insulin resistance and lowering glucose output from the liver. So it isn’t a med that works on a meal-by-meal basis from each tablet taken, it more sort of generally improves glucose management in the background.

Hope you find it helps your glucose management 🙂
 
Metformin is the usual ‘first line’ medication for T2. It is very widely offered, and has a solid track record.

It works by building up in the body over time, and reducing insulin resistance and lowering glucose output from the liver. So it isn’t a med that works on a meal-by-meal basis from each tablet taken, it more sort of generally improves glucose management in the background.

Hope you find it helps your glucose management 🙂
im also on statins for cholesterol...im not on the full dose of metformin yet im on my 3rd week so 3 tablets, next week i hit the full dose of 4 a day....im finding it all very confusing there is so much info to take it...but i guess we all get there in the end
 
hi im reading that even the protein ones are not good for us

Depends. Some have quite of bit of sugar in them. Some have quite a bit of saturated fat, but more mono fats. They have a fair amount of fibre... they seem to be 12g+ of carbs. They do contain sugar, but a lot of good stuff. Certainly better than biscuits or cakes!
 
Depends. Some have quite of bit of sugar in them. Some have quite a bit of saturated fat, but more mono fats. They have a fair amount of fibre... they seem to be 12g+ of carbs. They do contain sugar, but a lot of good stuff. Certainly better than biscuits or cakes!
Some like the KIND or shop own are a lot less than 12g carb. They are pretty filling so a half of one or less is usually sufficient with a cuppa instead of a biscuit.
 
hi i was told i have type 2 diabetes 2 weeks ago, ive been put on metformin and statins...im a bit overwhelmed about eating the correct things, and how to read food labels...whats a safe amount of carbs that turns to sugar for example, can i eat baked wotsits is another one.
well i hope to contribute as much as i can...so thanks for allowing me in

mark
Hi @markbsac we are sorry to here your distress . To ease the confusion please read our eating well with diabetes book here: https://shop.diabetes.org.uk/products/eating-well-with-diabetes and our carb counting information here: https://www.diabetes.org.uk/guide-t...ts-of-carb-counting/learn-about-carb-counting, Hope this helps!
 
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