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HbA1c numbers

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pinkjude

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Hi Can I ask about HBa1c and daily readings. My DN and GP told me no testing when I was diagnosed in 2018. I was 55 on diagnosis, dropped to 43, then back to 55 last October and 84 a couple of weeks ago. I bought a meter and started daily testing. Today 8.1 on waking, 9.6 2 hours post breakfast, 7.5 before lunch, 8.5 2 hours post lunch. I am on a low carb diet but only started 1 week ago. Have lost 13 pounds since November. How do I get an idea of my HBa1c based on my daily readings?
 
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Hi pinkjude,

I've moved your question to its own thread as it's an important one that others may be wondering about also.

You HbA1c numbers are generally an assessment over a 3 month period where as the numbers you've been doing are based on your blood sugar levels at that moment in time, give or take.

Some find it more useful to look at how their numbers perform within a range after each meal. So, working on getting your numbers between 4-7 before meals and less than 8.5 after meals. These numbers are a guide as for some, either side can be too low or high but it's just a guide.

Hopefully, if you've kept your daily numbers in check then your average numbers will be good also.
 
Hi pinkjude. We get lots of questions on the topic of what the numbers mean and especially how finger prick readings relate to HbA1c. They are related but you cannot get one from the other, all you can do is get a rough idea.

Let me do a Jonathan Van-Tam.....

Think of it like looking at Fair Isle sweater, you know one of those with a complicated multi coloured repeating pattern.

The HbA1c is equivalent to seeing the sweater hanging on a hanger. You get a good view of the overall impact, see the pattern well but you cannot see enough detail to work out how it was made.

The finger prick reading is like looking at the same pattern through a magnifying glass so that you can only see a couple of stitches. You can tell a lot about those stitches but you have no idea what the overall pattern looks like. Move your magnifying glass around so you see more and more stitches and you might be able to say something more about the pattern but it will always be a guess. To appreciate it there is nothing like dumping the magnifying glass, hanging the sweater on a hanger, so that you can see the thing as a whole.

When I looked at how to approach testing I came to these sorts of ideas to tell me whether I was on the right track or not. I took readings before and after meals, first thing in the morning and last thing at night. Not every meal every day, but what I tried to do was to cover all times of day by looking a breakfast for a couple of days, lunch for a couple, evening meal for some more. That way I could get a decent idea of my blood glucose range and a measure of the long term average.

To continue the Fair Isle sweater thing.... After a couple of weeks or so I had no real idea of the overall pattern but I knew some thing about what colour wools were being used and could begin to make guesses about the pattern repeat. It was enough for me to make some sensible dietary changes to eliminate those things that made big jarring statements in the pattern. I knew I was aiming for something neutral and subdued, not Joseph's amazing technicolour dream coat knitted by a crofter.

Finished up by revising my diet such that no matter what, I rarely got a reading in double figures and kept the overall long term average around 6. This gave me a HbA1c of 38, down from the high of 82 where I was getting spot readings in the high teens, low 20's. I don't have an average for that period but I am guessing it was in double figures.

So, my thought for you is not to think about your HbA1c when looking at your finger prick readings. Look at those as a means of adjusting your diet to eliminate those things which give readings into double figures a couple of hours after eating. If by doing that you can keep your spot readings in the range 5 -10, and if needed, lose a bit of weight then the HbA1c will take care of itself.

Usual disclaimers.... only applies to T2's using diet, exercise and perhaps a bit of medication to control things and because it worked for me, it does not mean it will work for you!
 
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While your HbA1c is related to your fingerstick BG checks, there isn’t a way to reliably convert one to the other unfortunately.

This is because they are measuring such completely different things. A1c measures how many red blood cells have been changed by exposure to blood glucose over the course of their lifetime (approx 120 days), while your BG meter and strips measure the amount of glucose in your blood at that exact moment.

If you have a good spread of before and after meal glucose checks to give a reasonable average, there are formulae which will give an estimate of the sort of HbA1c you might expect, but these are only a guide and can’t really be relied upon.

Edit: DocB beat me to it!
 
To be steady at a Hba1c of 42 I try to stay under 7mmol/l after eating.
We are all different and I know that I am particularly sensitive to carbs and seem able to extract more carbs from beans and peas than their listed values - so really it is a matter of doing what you can with the daily diet and testing then seeing how the Hba1c comes out.
 
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