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Hi all,
This is a link to the Abbott Navigator cgm


http://medgadget.com/archives/2007/...ose_monitoring_system_approved_in_europe.html


Apparently these are brilliant bits of kit! But they do cost 900 pounds approx. I was thinking of looking into buying one - but i am wondering whether the hospital would pay for the consumables? Apparently to pay for sensors for 1 month its about 200 pounds.

I like the idea of them beeping if your going low especially through the night. Someone on the other forum has been using one from a private clinic in london - and she loves it - she uses it on her little 6 year old and it has detected lots of hypos that she didnt even know about!
Has anyone on here tried one?If so how do you find them?

I spotted them in America for 950 dollars- but then realised they use a different system of blood levels than us! doh!😱Bev
 
I haven't heard of them and yes the Americans do use a different system of testing blood levels. if you go to www.diabetesbuddies.com, on the left hand side is a conversion table that is quite usefull.
 
Bev,

I had a hunch Abbot made an announcement about a CGM sometime ago. Thought it was an implant - probably where they want it to be...

My understadning is that the NHS struggles to pay for consumables for something they didn't supply. I guess it changes PCT to PCT however, my local PCT is funny on such matters.

A consideration maybe to ask the hospital how much they could buy it for and see if you can get it bought by the hopsital and then sold to you... I've done this on some stuff for my hearing aids in the past, saved me a packet and cost the NHS nothing. Still object to paying huge amounts of personal NI and then employers NI contributions year in year out, then having to buy what I need to manage my condition out of my own pocket - double taxation or what?!

Good luck though :D
 
Caroline said:
I haven't heard of them and yes the Americans do use a different system of testing blood levels. if you go to www.diabetesbuddies.com, on the left hand side is a conversion table that is quite usefull.
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Just looked at diabetesbuddies for conversion table. If you are going from UK to USA then multiply by 18, if you are going from USA to UK then divide by 18

America is the only country in the world to use the system it does. The one used in the UK I am told is used by the rest of the world too, but don't hold me to it.
 
Well my dsn just rang me to discuss the use of a cgm (i have been asking for months) and i mentioned it to her - she doubts the pct would fund the consumables - but told me that the hospital are probably going to buy one for general use as they think they are brilliant!( the navigator) Also, she said that in the meantime the consultant has agreed to a letter to bupa providing information about the use of a cgm - which will hopefully mean Alex can use theirs as long as bupa pay for the consumables! Wooopppeeee! I dont care who pays as long as we get to use one. If i find it useful i will consider buying a navigator and try to fund perhaps a week on and a week off!🙂Bev
 
bev said:
Well my dsn just rang me to discuss the use of a cgm (i have been asking for months) and i mentioned it to her - she doubts the pct would fund the consumables - but told me that the hospital are probably going to buy one for general use as they think they are brilliant!( the navigator) Also, she said that in the meantime the consultant has agreed to a letter to bupa providing information about the use of a cgm - which will hopefully mean Alex can use theirs as long as bupa pay for the consumables! Wooopppeeee! I dont care who pays as long as we get to use one. If i find it useful i will consider buying a navigator and try to fund perhaps a week on and a week off!🙂Bev
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I hope it works out for you, it is always good to hear good news! Anything that makes life easier or better is worth it!
 
Hi, what consumables does it use?

I know that a finger prick meter is only a few ?'sto buy but you are looking at ?140 per month in Strips so in the long run it would be cheaper for the nhs to provide these especially to children, i was thinking that a 3 year old could sit across from the teacher and she would be able to keep an eye on the pager.. Great technology, an implant would be even better. who knows what they will come up with next!
 
Hi Bev,

Looks great but I just wanted to add (I expect you have thought of this already) but dont forget if you go with a pump you may wish you hadnt have spent your money on this? As you know, the medtronic does a CGM and with the new model Veo as I think I mentioned before communicates with your pump to help prevent hypos. When I got the pump info from medtronic the letter explained the cost of running the CGM as ?6.50p a day with a ?400 starter cost when purchased with the pump (it acknowledges many PCTS dont fund this which is why they sent out the costs as well).

Personally, I think this kind of pricing is through the roof!!! But as always, worth considering when it comes to health.

Thanks for that link BTW, interesting read.

Lou x
 
Hi Sugarbum!

I know what your saying - but - we are not sure how long it will before Alex to gets the pump- so my thoughts are that if his levels stay erratic then i wouldnt mind shelling out on one.
Also, and i may be wrong about this - but - i thought the cgm on the medtronic had a 20 minute delay? So not 'real time'?
Also i think our team only use the roche spirit pump which doesnt have a cgm attached - so even though a pump gives better control - perhaps having a navigator would enable us to get tighter control?

Not sure if we would be allowed to choose a different pump if they dont normally use that one?

I suppose if we got one and then found out we were able to use the medtronic veo with cgm - then we could just 'sell' it - as i think they are guaranteed for a good few years!🙂Bev

p.s. are you counting down the days until your 'live on the pump'? I am excited for you and look forward to reading your blog!🙂 x
 
If it was me and a pump was in the offing, then I would wait and see how improved control was with that before paying for something like this. Having read Patricia's thread (I know it's early days) it seems to practically make the use of a long-term cgm redundant!

Also, Sugarbum's point about the cost of ?6.50 a day - it occured to me that there are thousands upon thousands of people who pay that for cigarettes every day in order to ruin their health! What a crazy world!
 
Proudspirit said:
Hi, what consumables does it use?

I know that a finger prick meter is only a few ?'sto buy but you are looking at ?140 per month in Strips so in the long run it would be cheaper for the nhs to provide these especially to children, i was thinking that a 3 year old could sit across from the teacher and she would be able to keep an eye on the pager.. Great technology, an implant would be even better. who knows what they will come up with next!
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very good comment will be perfect for my son !!!:D:D
 
bev said:
Hi Sugarbum!

I know what your saying - but - we are not sure how long it will before Alex to gets the pump- so my thoughts are that if his levels stay erratic then i wouldnt mind shelling out on one.
Also, and i may be wrong about this - but - i thought the cgm on the medtronic had a 20 minute delay? So not 'real time'?
Also i think our team only use the roche spirit pump which doesnt have a cgm attached - so even though a pump gives better control - perhaps having a navigator would enable us to get tighter control?

Not sure if we would be allowed to choose a different pump if they dont normally use that one?

I suppose if we got one and then found out we were able to use the medtronic veo with cgm - then we could just 'sell' it - as i think they are guaranteed for a good few years!🙂Bev

p.s. are you counting down the days until your 'live on the pump'? I am excited for you and look forward to reading your blog!🙂 x
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Hiya Bev,

All really good points! Do you know anyone with the abbott machine? It does look fantastic and as (I think it was grahams said) it is so amazing all this technology these days you cant help but wonder what the future holds! Id be really interested to hear what you think of it if you do get it.

Bev- I am sooooooooooooooooooooooo counting down every day I feel guilty for wishing the time away! I cant think of anything else these days but that blimmin pump!

L x
 
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