Fried Eggs or Poached Eggs

[Martin Canty]

Eggs fried in sunflower oil - Carbs, trace: Fat, 15.7: Sat Fat, 3.35

Sunflower oil is off the menu for me (not considered a good fat), I'd rather fry my eggs in butter

Doesn't do the Inuits any harm does it? They eat tons of fat or did

Incidence of Heart disease & diabetes has increased significantly in the Inuit populations since they adopted a more western diet

 

[grovesy]

Sunflower oil is off the menu for me (not considered a good fat), I'd rather fry my eggs in butter

Incidence of Heart disease & diabetes has increased significantly in the Inuit populations since they adopted a more western diet

My understanding is that all native populations around the world having adopted so called western eating habits are have higher levels of Diabetes.

 

[Dave W]

I use olive oil and Dr A says 'sensible use of butter.' Plus it's winter, you need fat to keep you warm. Doesn't do the Inuits any harm does it? They eat tons of fat or did.

We use olive oil for the majority of cooking and as salad dressing. We bring a couple of litres of local extra-virgin back from Greece twice a year and once we've got through that have to revert to Tesco stuff. There was a good item on the BBC "Trust Me I'm a Doctor," a few months ago purporting to show the general health benefits of olive oil versa other veg oils.

 

[HOBIE]

Have both not at the same time

 

[HOBIE]

We use olive oil for the majority of cooking and as salad dressing. We bring a couple of litres of local extra-virgin back from Greece twice a year and once we've got through that have to revert to Tesco stuff. There was a good item on the BBC "Trust Me I'm a Doctor," a few months ago purporting to show the general health benefits of olive oil versa other veg oils.

I was involved in that program, did not bust the camera . cumin study & got put on the placebo

 

[Martin Canty]

We use olive oil for the majority of cooking and as salad dressing

In my pantry we have (all extra virgin & organic), Olive, Avocado & Coconut.... For Animal fats we have Pork Lard, Duck fat & organic Ghee along with the grass fed (organic if possible) butter.

There is still some vegetable oil left but that's just used for seasoning my Wok.

 

[trophywench]

The trouble with too much protein without fat is that your body will start to turn the protein into glucose - it would rather burn fat if it's there.

No - almost the opposite. If one is in the position where one's body actually needs insulin to turn either protein or fat to glucose, in comparison to carbs, we are advised to start by trying to count protein as 50% of what it would need for carbs, but only 10% to cover the fat.

So if I use 1u of insulin to deal with 10g carbs - for 10g of protein I would need 0.5u and for 10g of fat I would need 0.1u of insulin.

As it happens - my body doesn't and I can only assume that's because I eat adequate carbs virtually every day for it to make enough glucose to keep me going without having to resort to using my protein or fat for energy. I eat between 80g and 110g carbs a day - which is precisely how much I ate daily anyway before diagnosis and I'd previously settled on that amount as the amount I had found I could happily eat without putting on weight.

That hasn't really changed in the last 44+ years - if I consistently eat less I lose weight - if I consistently eat more - I definitely gain it ! I'm in the second category at the mo so I've promised meself to cut down 'after Xmas' LOL - otherwise I'll definitely have very little to wear - again![/QUOTE]

 

[ianbilly]

Finally managed to get hold of some Burgen Soya & Linseed Bread. Its ok , now i have some thing to dip into my yolk with my Breakfast eggs!!!, Cheers all for the suggestion.

 

[Deleted member 16779]

Finally managed to get hold of some Burgen Soya & Linseed Bread. Its ok , now i have some thing to dip into my yolk with my Breakfast eggs!!!, Cheers all for the suggestion.

Tesco now do a 'high protein' loaf, it's only 80p and it's only 10g per slice - and it tastes like proper bread!!

 

[Deleted member 16779]

No - almost the opposite. If one is in the position where one's body actually needs insulin to turn either protein or fat to glucose, in comparison to carbs, we are advised to start by trying to count protein as 50% of what it would need for carbs, but only 10% to cover the fat.

So if I use 1u of insulin to deal with 10g carbs - for 10g of protein I would need 0.5u and for 10g of fat I would need 0.1u of insulin.

As it happens - my body doesn't and I can only assume that's because I eat adequate carbs virtually every day for it to make enough glucose to keep me going without having to resort to using my protein or fat for energy. I eat between 80g and 110g carbs a day - which is precisely how much I ate daily anyway before diagnosis and I'd previously settled on that amount as the amount I had found I could happily eat without putting on weight.

That hasn't really changed in the last 44+ years - if I consistently eat less I lose weight - if I consistently eat more - I definitely gain it ! I'm in the second category at the mo so I've promised meself to cut down 'after Xmas' LOL - otherwise I'll definitely have very little to wear - again!

My reply was to a type 2, and I don't think he's on insulin yet. Insulin doesn't turn fat or protein, or carbohydrate into Glucose by the way. Insulin does a number of other things, including telling your liver to temporarily stop producing glucose and moves glucose into various cells. For a type 2, eating carbs will stimulate insulin production if they can make it, it's just less effective, so it won't stop your liver producing it or it won't clear out the glucose into the cells fast enough. Eating fat doesn't stimulate this insulin, but eating low-carb high protein will mean that your body just switches into nucleogenesis and turns the protein into glucose, which will then both stimulate insulin and raise your blood sugar.

By the way, between 80 and 110g of carbs per day IS a low carb diet. That's around 300-400kcal so you can't be surviving on carbs for energy until you weigh about 6 stone and don't move at all. You must be getting the calories from somewhere else.

 

[trophywench]

Well obviously I'm getting other calories from protein and fat, exactly as one should since I eat a fully balanced and totally normal diet (blue top milk, butter, cheese, meat, veg, fruit) that anyone my size and shape with my metabolism (without special dietary requirements or athletic necessities otherwise) might eat.

Always been sedentary - participation in sport wasn't encouraged by our parents. It was not what THEY wanted us to do. Certainly people who worked with their hands didn't have 'proper' jobs and were obviously far less intelligent than those who had proper jobs in offices. Even typing wasn't a proper job - maybe being secretary might have been - as long as you learned and were speedy and proficient at Pitman's - but not for their daughters ...... I found I had quite a lot to learn about a) the Real World and b) Real People, as I got older ...... hopefully I have! (even the Police Force and Fire Service - the main requirement was brawn, not brain as far as mama led us to believe. Oh and OF COURSE the whole of the Medical Profession are Saints and should therefore be a) Worshipped unconditionally and b) Believed totally since they were naturally, created as Completely Infallible.

If I ever wanted or needed to eat a LOW carb diet - which I do not - I would need to cut down quite a bit on the 100g. If I EVER ate more than this amount - by age 66 I'd be like the side of a ruddy house and would most probably have dropped dead from morbid obesity long since!

I did eat a fair bit more at one time, but when I got to 11st something, could hardly fit into size 16 and my inner thighs were often red raw from the fat rubbing together - I cut out all the c**p again and went back down to a 12 again. I'm at least a stone overweight right now (euphemism for being about 2 st overweight) and outgrowing the 14s, hence I need to buckle down again and become sensible again LOL (but of course, NEVER boring LOL)

Incidentally I have shrunk from 5ft 3 and a half to 5ft 3 over the last few years and though I still have about a mile and a half to 'pinch' on my belly (rather than 'an inch'), you are still in danger of getting a painful jab from my pelvic bones or my ankle or wrist ones since they all still stick out the same as they always have.

 

[Deleted member 16779]

Well obviously I'm getting other calories from protein and fat, exactly as one should since I eat a fully balanced and totally normal diet (blue top milk, butter, cheese, meat, veg, fruit) that anyone my size and shape with my metabolism (without special dietary requirements or athletic necessities otherwise) might eat.

Always been sedentary - participation in sport wasn't encouraged by our parents. It was not what THEY wanted us to do. Certainly people who worked with their hands didn't have 'proper' jobs and were obviously far less intelligent than those who had proper jobs in offices. Even typing wasn't a proper job - maybe being secretary might have been - as long as you learned and were speedy and proficient at Pitman's - but not for their daughters ...... I found I had quite a lot to learn about a) the Real World and b) Real People, as I got older ...... hopefully I have! (even the Police Force and Fire Service - the main requirement was brawn, not brain as far as mama led us to believe. Oh and OF COURSE the whole of the Medical Profession are Saints and should therefore be a) Worshipped unconditionally and b) Believed totally since they were naturally, created as Completely Infallible.

If I ever wanted or needed to eat a LOW carb diet - which I do not - I would need to cut down quite a bit on the 100g. If I EVER ate more than this amount - by age 66 I'd be like the side of a ruddy house and would most probably have dropped dead from morbid obesity long since!

I did eat a fair bit more at one time, but when I got to 11st something, could hardly fit into size 16 and my inner thighs were often red raw from the fat rubbing together - I cut out all the c**p again and went back down to a 12 again. I'm at least a stone overweight right now (euphemism for being about 2 st overweight) and outgrowing the 14s, hence I need to buckle down again and become sensible again LOL (but of course, NEVER boring LOL)

Incidentally I have shrunk from 5ft 3 and a half to 5ft 3 over the last few years and though I still have about a mile and a half to 'pinch' on my belly (rather than 'an inch'), you are still in danger of getting a painful jab from my pelvic bones or my ankle or wrist ones since they all still stick out the same as they always have.

You're lucky - I've shrunk from 6ft 5.5in to 6ft 3in. On the plus side I don't usually bang my head on doorframes any more. Also I've gone to several pant sizes - from 36/38in to 34in in about July this year, at which point I had to buy new suits and jeans. Now I'm down to about a 30/32in waist and all those new pants don't fit. Still to translate a great Dutch word - that's a 'luxury problem' (Luxeprobleem). I also fit in a size 12 dress, but that was just the once for a fancy dress event at a music festival (honestly).

 

[trophywench]

And I used to fit 32" waist jeans - cos that really is equivalent to Ladies size 12 ! (30" is more a 10) I'm happy to purchase any amount of new smaller clothes, but totally resent needing to spend hard-earned on bigger ones. And even sulk if I need to. LOL

 

[Mark Parrott]

Tesco now do a 'high protein' loaf, it's only 80p and it's only 10g per slice - and it tastes like proper bread!!

I tried the warburton's high protein bread & my BG went higher than I was happy with. Might be worth trying Tesco's instead. Lidl do a low GI cob loaf which I can handle fine.

 

[Gerrie DS]

butter!! definitely! the low fat thing is a total myth based on a 1953 study in america. the evidence is still to filter through to the mainstream. The only thing about frying is that you do diminish some of the good omegas apparently, but hey ho it's better than a plate of Carbicide cereal i'd say!!

 

[john pardo]

Fried egg with Flora spray oil

 

[Wirrallass]

I've always been a cereal man for breakfast, now i have to change. Not a fan of scrambled eggs but if i did a fried egg without oil or butter or fat would that be ok? Poached eggs are another i could try. I'm newly diagnosed T2 and trying to find my way diet wise. Thanks all

Personally Ian i prefer poached scrambled or boiled eggs. I don't fry anything in fat as I'm keeping an eye on my cholesterol levels, they were a tad above an acceptable level at last blood test. If anything, I use cold pressed rapeseed oil for cooking & baking. Suits me but not everyone is the same. Take care

 

[Wirrallass]

OMG! So much to take in its giving me a headache! My little ol brain is having problems digesting all the above information. I'm going back to bed for a couple of hours kip, haven't slept ...yet again! Take care all.

 

[Gerrie DS]

I've always been a cereal man for breakfast, now i have to change. Not a fan of scrambled eggs but if i did a fried egg without oil or butter or fat would that be ok? Poached eggs are another i could try. I'm newly diagnosed T2 and trying to find my way diet wise. Thanks all

Long post alert! Sorry
My understanding is that when you fry eggs the omega 3 is partially or completely destroyed. So it's not about the fat you add to fry. Only the best and wildest eggs have high omegas. Wee hens fed with flax seeds are good . Happy ones. Processed Cereals are ' Carbacide' lol imho. And you need omegas for the cell walls to take in the insulin

Statin industry is serious stuff. Lots of schools of thought on those. They may lower your cholesterol but if you are inflamed inside by eating the wrong stuff then you are still in trouble. That's when the chol sticks to the inflamed vessels to try and heal. I'm sure there are lots of folk on here who know a lot more about that.
There are other more risky factors that can be generic that dictate how you handle fats in the body so I am taking a risk by declining them perhaps but I think the evidence is there.
The whole cholesterol and heart disease is built on fallacious research in 1953 when Acel Keys lied about the results of his so called study re chol and cardiac mortality. It suited the uS government and food industry at the time!

There is a lot of genuine research evidence to say that too low cholesterol shortens life by 10 years.
So I am not a doctor but I read piles of research papers even though am a retired public health bod. Keeps me out of mischief... Sometimes. #type2ladiesdetectiveagency
#aConstantChallenge

 

[Lilian]

Another thing that influences cholesterol is your thyroid. If your thyroid is on the sluggish side your cholesterol will rise.