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[Lucyr]

The thing is a finger prick test wouldn’t show this because it would be normal ish after 2 hours.

The target is to be down to good levels by 2hrs, not to have flat Bgs all day. So that spike in between is alright, your body dealt with it just fine.

 

[Damien]

The target is to be down to good levels by 2hrs, not to have flat Bgs all day. So that spike in between is alright, your body dealt with it just fine.

Even though it went to 12 or 13?

 

[Lucyr]

Even though it went to 12 or 13?

Yes, the target is for your body to have brought it down to about 3mmol higher than you started or less, by 2hrs. This is why T2s are usually advised to fingerprick not use libre as the data can be confusing. Even non diabetics spike after eating and their body deals with it by producing insulin in response.

 

[gail2]

.have requested both, libre are going to send me a sensor ASAP Abbott are calling me in 1 to 3 working days to discuss my needs
Am going to try one first then have a break for 10 days then try the other one and which ever way of the 3 wins wins

 

[Damien]

.have requested both, libre are going to send me a sensor ASAP Abbott are calling me in 1 to 3 working days to discuss my needs
Am going to try one first then have a break for 10 days then try the other one and which ever way of the 3 wins wins

I have the Libre sensor but it was believed by Abbott. I believe Abbott is Libre ? Not sure sorry.

 

[gail2]

Even though it went to 12 or 13?

I have wm toast with marmite for breakfast and find it spikes me by 2 to 3.5 points it's a small price to pay for something I love to eat

 

[gail2]

I have the Libre sensor but it was believed by Abbott. I believe Abbott is Libre ? Not sure sorry.

Typo error i ment dexcom whoops

 

[Damien]

I have wm toast with marmite for breakfast and find it spikes me by 2 to 3.5 points it's a small price to pay for something I love to eat

Yep that’s my fav but this happens with one slice.

 

[Lucyr]

Yep that’s my fav but this happens with one slice.

Your time in range (3.9-10.0) looks very high and spike is short so that meal is fine for you

 

[Damien]

Your time in range (3.9-10.0) looks very high and spike is short so that meal is fine for you

Ok thanks. I don’t want to take over OP’s thread. That’s nice to know thank you.

Today I’ve had a Lowe sugar protein yogurt and some granola. Just a tiny handful. Mixed with some other seeds. Less of a spike and I do feel better and less hungry. Maybe just all psychological.

My issue is I was using HUEL and was all going well and then all of a sudden I can’t face it. Tried about 10 different flavours. I used it in the morning and was perfect for me

 

[Lucyr]

Ok thanks. I don’t want to take over OP’s thread. That’s nice to know thank you.

It’s likely all relevant to Gail interpreting her graphs without being stressed about it. If she sees the same graph she might then get stressed about having to change her breakfast as that’s a set routine

 

[Proud to be erratic]

Even though it went to 12 or 13?

Yes, @Damien.

In a perfect world you might find a menu of food choices that produced less glycaemic variability. In that same perfect world your pancreatic functions would be perfect (and variability never seen by you) because your own natural insulin resistance would not overwhelm your insulin production so much. So, @Damien, it's a matter of balance. You can let yourself become obsessed by trying to find that perfection, or gracefully accept that you are getting a great result from an imperfect start point

To be fair to you, your earlier post did say just that:

I’m about a week ish into my first week and it’s opened up some things to me. .......

The thing is a finger prick test wouldn’t show this because it would be normal ish after 2 hours. .........
I’m new to T2 so I’m not a 100% sure if that’s bad or not. .....
I’m going todo about 3 sensors. So will only pay for 2 more.

It’s a tool but for type 2 I’d say don’t get too obsessed with it.

CGM gives potentially terrific visibility minute by minute. As @helli often says the data is fairly irrelevant if you can't do much with the information. For people like myself, totally insulin dependent, CGM is really helpful and I can tweak and tune my BG a fair amount by sensible carb estimating, insulin dosing and exercise or activity. Some of that tuning clearly shows in my daily graphs.

But for T2s with no meds or perhaps just metformin, there is a limit to how much they can alter their BG variability quickly. Long term, sustainable, changes such as sustained weight loss doesn't need CGM to make that work. Avoiding foods that cause spikes that overwhelm your metabolism can be identified by fps and then avoid those meals or reduce portion sizes.

Your strategy @Damien to use CGM selectively is, in my non-medical opinion, very wise and easier on your pocket long term.

 

[Damien]

Yes, @Damien.

In a perfect world you might find a menu of food choices that produced less glycaemic variability. In that same perfect world your pancreatic functions would be perfect (and variability never seen by you) because your own natural insulin resistance would not overwhelm your insulin production so much. So, @Damien, it's a matter of balance. You can let yourself become obsessed by trying to find that perfection, or gracefully accept that you are getting a great result from an imperfect start point

To be fair to you, your earlier post did say just that:

CGM gives potentially terrific visibility minute by minute. As @helli often says the data is fairly irrelevant if you can't do much with the information. For people like myself, totally insulin dependent, CGM is really helpful and I can tweak and tune my BG a fair amount by sensible carb estimating, insulin dosing and exercise or activity. Some of that tuning clearly shows in my daily graphs.

But for T2s with no meds or perhaps just metformin, there is a limit to how much they can alter their BG variability quickly. Long term, sustainable, changes such as sustained weight loss doesn't need CGM to make that work. Avoiding foods that cause spikes that overwhelm your metabolism can be identified by fps and then avoid those meals or reduce portion sizes.

Your strategy @Damien to use CGM selectively is, in my non-medical opinion, very wise and easier on your pocket long term.

Thank you for the reply and yes even my girlfriend said you need to check it two hours later and I forgot that.

I’m going to use it to work out what food to avoid. I know the obvious but if I can steady by bloods I would be happier

Yesterday the spike caused me a bit of upset as we was at the beach and it’s all I could think about

 

[Lucyr]

Thank you for the reply and yes even my girlfriend said you need to check it two hours later and I forgot that.

You can look at it on the graph for 2hrs after you ate at any time. You don’t need to actually get your phone out at 2hrs on the dot.

 

[Damien]

You can look at it on the graph for 2hrs after you ate at any time. You don’t need to actually get your phone out at 2hrs on the dot.

My word, that is so obvious. Thank you.

Talking of ranges. I’ve just found this. Didn’t even know it did things like that.

 

[Lucyr]

My word, that is so obvious. Thank you.

Talking of ranges. I’ve just found this. Didn’t even know it did things like that.

The only target time in range given is for T1s and says that 70% is amazing and the ideal target

 

[Bruce Stephens]

The only target time in range given is for T1s and says that 70% is amazing and the ideal target

I think the suggested ranges are intended to apply to everyone on intensive insulin therapy, and perhaps those not, too. They obviously have more relevance to Type 1 since we're much more likely to have CGMs.

 

[Lucyr]

I think the suggested ranges are intended to apply to everyone on intensive insulin therapy, and perhaps those not, too. They obviously have more relevance to Type 1 since we're much more likely to have CGMs.

Yes but we can’t give a target for t2 not on insulin, i suspect the target time in range would be higher than 70% if there was one because there isn’t the same risk of going low to @Damien. Sharing the T1 time in range target will show him/her that they are doing very well and don’t need to panic about the breakfast spike though.

 

[Damien]

So I think because I’ve had it 7 days now im
Starting to get info pop up that didn’t before.

So to me this looks good?

 

[Lucyr]

So I think because I’ve had it 7 days now im
Starting to get info pop up that didn’t before.

So to me this looks good?

All looks good, no problem areas highlighted. You’ll get loads of different graphs now you have 7 days data