MarkGeordie
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I’ve not been out shopping since the rules changed but will be interesting to see.
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Amity Island
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I reckon, there could be a split in strategies in the coming weeks, those who don't want to wear a mask in a supermarket will go to Lidl and Sainsbury's and those that do want to wear a mask will go to their competitors. The police don't have the resources to go around supermarkets looking for anti-maskers.
It will be interesting to see which supermarkets get the most customers!
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My husband and I usually go all sorts of places together and where there are more than about 12 people in an enclosed space, during the winter especially, he'll subsequently now frequently get a chest infection that needs ABs and steroids to get rid of. Meanwhile I get nowt even though we were sitting right next to each other. Hence I'm more than a bit scared in case he gets Covid - wouldn't you be for your beloved? Or your elderly parent, grandparent or great grandparent? - we are all 3, and aged 70.
I have been shopping at Tesco (Sudbury) where i would estimate less than 10% wore masks.
Either late quiet times or the over sixties hour.
This week I shopped on Friday at 8.30pm so the new law was in operation. I saw just one person,
a well dressed 30year old male, that didn't have a mask on. ( Possibly had a good reason )
Well done BoJo. Better late than never.
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Me and my daughter went to Iceland yesterday it looked quieter than Tesco. Everyone in there had masks on. Obviously not everyone had them on right because the British public are idiots and there’s not actually been that much advice on it from the Gov.
Walking down the highstreet I’d say 15% of people who were wearing them, are wearing them correctly then as Antrim said, men with them on their heads, on people’s chins. And social distancing seems to have gone out the window ha
Walking down the highstreet I’d say 15% of people who were wearing them, are wearing them correctly then as Antrim said, men with them on their heads, on people’s chins. And social distancing seems to have gone out the window ha
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Sorry for the confusion @Pandora71
Yes @Robin is quite right, we started that thread in the early days where information about Covid and the rules and regulations were emerging rapidly, and it made sense to have one location where people could get up to date information uncluttered by discussion and side questions.
Plenty of conversations and threads about Coronavirus and Covid 19 elsewhere though.
Search results for query: coronavirus
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Search results for query: covid
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Regarding the evidence and research around face masks, you might find this Twitter thread about evidence around face masks an interesting browse if you haven’t see it already?
And also this about visors?
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Hey Mike,Sorry for the confusion @Pandora71
Yes @Robin is quite right, we started that thread in the early days where information about Covid and the rules and regulations were emerging rapidly, and it made sense to have one location where people could get up to date information uncluttered by discussion and side questions.
Plenty of conversations and threads about Coronavirus and Covid 19 elsewhere though.
Search results for query: coronavirus
Search results for query: covid
Regarding the evidence and research around face masks, you might find this Twitter thread about evidence around face masks an interesting browse if you haven’t see it already?
And also this about visors?
So much for my strategy of referring only to official sources!
In summary of the video,
Current WHO advice on wearing cloth masks in non-healthcare settings is based on 3 studies, non of which were based on SarsCoV2 transmission!
One of the studies was incorrectly shown as in a "non-healthcare setting" when in fact it was in a healthcare setting!
The second study showed wearing masks increased transmission!
The third study included data for those not wearing masks!
Regarding whether using a face mask can prevent transmission @ 15:24 regarding droplets from breathing "we don't really know for sure", "we suspect maybe not so much for the folks who don't have symptoms".
and to top it off it looks like wearing visors makes it worse!
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Sadly I’ve seen quite a few thrown on the floor over the weekend and I think it’s going to be worse over the coming weeks.
Working in retail we’ve been told we have to wear them all day at work which I’ll admit im not thrilled about, I really struggled on Friday with my glasses steaming up and it’s not a nice feeling coming down a ladder not being able to see properly. Our warehouse gets stupidly hot (46oc last year in the summer) so I can see us finding the heat even more difficult In the coming weeks.
plus the added joy of asking customers if they have a face covering before they enter and being told to **** off many times on Friday is making me really look forward to work tomorrow morning
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Bakebeans,
Surely there has to be some kind of risk assessment for those types of situations where wearing a mask could do more harm than good?
And regarding being sworn at by customers not wanting to wear a mask, I think the government will have their work cut out for them over the coming weeks and months.
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I thought the twitter thread was very interesting @Amity Island - in that yes it does acknowledge some of the oddities in the WHO evidence base, but also highlights lots of other examples that show how effective masks can be in preventing transmission.
eg this from Leffler a few posts down the thread
I also found the cough/droplet pattern pictures fascinating!
I shared the thread in good faith and at face value because Trish Greenhalgh (Professor of primary care at university of Oxford) is a well known and respected academic, and the sort of person they ask to comment on the news about various things, and her link to the thread was then further shared by other respected HCPs.
Do you not like the idea of wearing a mask yourself? Or believe the wearing of masks to be unneseccary and/or ineffective? Sometimes I find it hard to work out what your opinion is!
eg this from Leffler a few posts down the thread
I also found the cough/droplet pattern pictures fascinating!
I shared the thread in good faith and at face value because Trish Greenhalgh (Professor of primary care at university of Oxford) is a well known and respected academic, and the sort of person they ask to comment on the news about various things, and her link to the thread was then further shared by other respected HCPs.
Do you not like the idea of wearing a mask yourself? Or believe the wearing of masks to be unneseccary and/or ineffective? Sometimes I find it hard to work out what your opinion is!
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Stop mithering over wearing a mask, whether or not you get spotty. Buy a better cleanser. And stop mithering about folk not wearing them in the street, as long as you keep up proper distancing. Them's the rules.Folk accept them. It's quite fun watching people mask up before going into shops. Now is the time to rob the post office😎
If you make people wear masks all the time outside, that's not just medically unnecessary it's unenforceable. But even with a mask, keep up the distancing. It's not complicated remembering two things.
If you make people wear masks all the time outside, that's not just medically unnecessary it's unenforceable. But even with a mask, keep up the distancing. It's not complicated remembering two things.
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Don’t joke! I‘ve seen independent jewellers explaining their complex arrangement after another small jeweller they knew was robbed by someone wearing a mask.
They now have people wait outside and ask them to temporarily lower their mask on camera, before entering the shop. Which goes against all the ‘don‘t touch your mask‘ advice, but I cant say I blame them!
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Hi Mike,
I appreciated you sharing the video, it was well presented, easy to understand and definitely worth watching. I never knew WHO advice was based on such erroneous studies.
Regarding wearing masks and my opinion, the reason you probably find it hard to know what my opinion is is that I try not to form opinions on scientific matters as I like to think that there are definitive answers; and where there aren't definitive answers, opinions are nothing more than that.
From the video, I understood that masks are definitely a benefit to other people without the virus who are within very close proximity, if, those with covid19 symptoms are wearing a mask. Given the law requires people to wear a mask regardless of their status being either asymptomatic, pre-symptomatic, symptomatic, covid19 free etc I'm happy to wear a mask and have done every time I enter a shop. The problem with it at the moment is, not everyone is wearing a mask which makes the strategy ineffective. Part of the reason people are not wearing them is probably due to all the governments talk of masks not working, having no benefit, over the past few months and then suddenly, they changed their mind and introduced them after the lockdown has mainly been lifted and cases have tailed off.
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Bruce Stephens
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It's not as effective as it could be but that doesn't make it useless.
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Hi Bruce,
You have given a great example of the reason why I try not to give an opinion! lol
As soon as someone gives an opinion, it's objected to on the basis in this instance, of the wording used.
I used the word "ineffective" which I personally felt was a reasonably accurate description, however, someone else infers their meaning of the word "ineffective" as being "useless", which clearly is not what I said or was meant.
And, I wasn't referring to individual masks when I used the word ineffective, I was only referring to the strategy as a whole. It only works effectively when everybody is wearing one.
Lots of people still think wearing a mask protects them from the virus, when it doesn't. The mask manufacturers make this very clear, unless you're wearing a proper N95 mask.
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Madeline
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Also helps with the spread by symptomless carriers. I was really hoping this would kick off a more Asian style approach to mask wearing, where people wear them automatically if they have any cold etc symptoms, and it’s frowned upon to go out unmasked with any illness.
Eddy Edson
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Yup. I reckon that kind of behavioural/attitude change is a main & valid driver for the shift to mandatory masking.
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