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Expert meter users.. Help please!

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bennyg70

bennyg70

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When we originally set up the machine with my dsn, we went through the settings and it asked about when giving corrections what is the target of which we input 6. (Im bloomin sure we did this but I could have imagined this) So now if im above or below 6, it will factor in a correction to bring me nearer and it works well. However Id like to change this setting to 5 and I cannot Ruddy find it!!! Anybody know?
 
bennyg70 said:
When we originally set up the machine with my dsn, we went through the settings and it asked about when giving corrections what is the target of which we input 6. (Im bloomin sure we did this but I could have imagined this) So now if im above or below 6, it will factor in a correction to bring me nearer and it works well. However Id like to change this setting to 5 and I cannot Ruddy find it!!! Anybody know?
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...haven't got the manuals to hand....but mine is set at 6 too....I just add 1 unit every time 😱
 
Settings

Bolus Advice

Time Blocks, down arrow to click on time of day you want to change, down arrow to BG range, click, up and down arrow ......

Mine's a range so if you want 5 exactly, the range could be 4 to 6, or 4.5 to 5.5 but that's a tad OTT - it always corrects to what's smack in the middle of the range.

May be slightly different being a non-pump one.
 
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trophywench said:
Settings

Bolus Advice

Time Blocks, down arrow to click on time of day you want to change, down arrow to BG range, click, up and down arrow ......

Mine's a range so if you want 5 exactly, the range could be 4 to 6, or 4.5 to 5.5 but that's a tad OTT - it always corrects to what's smack in the middle of the range.

May be slightly different being a non-pump one.
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....that just enables carb ratio changes and target ranges for the different time blocks, not the 6 that Ben is trying to change. :confused:
 
Cheers guys... I think I read somewhere that it goes to the middle of the range. However Im sureeeeee When she set it up we had a discussion on where that number should be and it went in as 6. Now I cant seem to change that bit, just able to rejig the ranges - which works apart from if im @ 8mmol post meal it tells me on the data reports that it was a high reading and I dont wnt that!!
 
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You're right Benny the Expert does aim for the midpoint of the range set in whatever timeblock you are in (so you could set a wider block/diff range for suppertime etc).

I know this because Medtronic only goes to the outer edges (top if high/bottom if low) so I set my Veo 'target' to a single BG (5.5)

And yes it can be a bit frustrating. I did ask Roche why the post-meal flagging didn't take permissable 'meal rise' into account - completely bonkers. Meal rise is supposed to be the setting that allows you say 'don't worry if I rise this much in the hours immediately after eating, to prevent overcorrecting. And while it does work for the bolus calculation, the data record still shows those as hyper.

Why they don't have a light blue 'slightly raised' setting (like the yellow one above hypo) is a mystery to me.
 
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A few days in and I cant disagree with anything on your blog / review Mike.

Some of the things just do not make sense as to why its been programmed in the way it has.

However - I am still very very happy with it so far and think that some consistency was something I have been missing... Ill report back soon. And handily have a hba1c coming up mid feb so could give an indication of improvment or not!

I wonder if the software can be patched / updated in the future if they wanted to release updates?
 
Well what timeblocks does the Expert have different to the Combo then?

Mike had an Expert, he hasn't ever had a Combo, and he said Timeblocks too?

I mean you might want to be 5 most of the day but say you do exerice every day at X o'clock, tou might want to be 7 before you start and during that, mightn't you?

Or 4.5 all the while but 5.5 overnight?
 
It definatley uses time blocks, and you are right that it aims for the midpoint of the range I think. Its just there were a couple of other options during the setup that by the looks of it cant be changed nopw, but its no big deal... Me being panickity!
 
I'm not sure what you are remembering as that 6 Benny. As far as I know the midpoint of range in each time block over 24 hrs defines your target BG. So 4-8 would am to get you at 6. If you want lower than 6 you have to learn to 'interpret' your hyper markers in data as you could go, say 4-7 (aiming for 5.5) but many post-meal tests would get marked down as hyper (despite being inside allowable meal rise).
 
Im starting to wonder whether I imagined this!! Maybe its just something that came froma conversation and Ive painted a picture in my mind... Ill check the booklet when I get home. I think Im going Crazy!!
 
bennyg70 said:
Im starting to wonder whether I imagined this!! Maybe its just something that came froma conversation and Ive painted a picture in my mind... Ill check the booklet when I get home. I think Im going Crazy!!
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Is it that when you initially set up the Expert (and I assume the Combo too) the first 'target range' you put in is then copied to all other time blocks automatically rather than you having to enter it into each one by hand. Then you can just go to any that you want to tweak and change it from your initial (default) setting?
 
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Is it that when you initially set up the Expert (and I assume the Combo too) the first 'target range' you put in is then copied to all other time blocks automatically rather than you having to enter it into each one by hand. Then you can just go to any that you want to tweak and change it from your initial (default) setting?
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I have no idea!!

I think my main point is what you brought up earlier, Why post prandrials which may be within your own target range for that time would be highlighted in the reports as a hyper.... Make me look bad 😛
 
Yup. I started ignoring the dark blues on those nice pie charts quite early on. I got a better feel for how I was doing by the slimness of red/yellow, average and SD.

Shame really. But hey-ho. You can't have everything 🙄
 
I think the SD is a really useful piece of information!

Ill post my meter readings when Im a month In which should correspond with my next HBA1c. Should make for a good round of guess the a1c!
 
Nah Benny, alter the parameters !

EG my meter is set at 'below 3.7' being hypo.

However I alter the software to show 'below 4' after I download it. To see if I'm only keeping me happy, or me and the hospital. Cos theirs says that, and they download it to theirs anyway when I get there.
 
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Nah Benny, alter the parameters !

EG my meter is set at 'below 3.7' being hypo.

However I alter the software to show 'below 4' after I download it. To see if I'm only keeping me happy, or me and the hospital. Cos theirs says that, and they download it to theirs anyway when I get there.
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That was one of my very few gripes with the Expert though TW. Unless I missed something obvious, there's not much you can do to alter parameters if you want to aim at or around 5.5 because there's not much room from 4-ish.

The midpoint thing means that the Expert would require 4-7 to be its range for a 5.5 target, but that is a bit harsh for all those post-meal readings that get marked as hyper.

If you alter the settings to get fewer dark blues, say 4-10 then the bolus advice will keep trying to pull you to 7.0. Which might be fine, but it wasn't what I was after.

'Meal rise' sorts this out as far as corrections are concerned, but the graphing/data display ignores that parameter and just goes by the numbers. I guess this is so that 2 readings of 10.0 dont get marked differently as that could confuse, but actually IRL as a D you do recognise that 10.0 premeal or FBG is *quite* different to 10.0 2 hours after eating.
 
True but speaking for my clinic only Mike, they aren't daft and the bold type doesn't 'count against me' - unless it's like 15 repeatedly in which case it would LOL - what I mean is they consider the actual NUMBERS and what you eg ate, or did etc - prior to them - not the fact they are bold. They also don't look at the pie charts as they paint a false picture.

If you have a slightly persistent hypo, and are still say 3.9 10 mins after, the ruddy thing counts it as 2 hypos whereas it's only 1 and they know very well shortly after it will be non-hypo. Cos the readings tell them that in any case. And if you then go a bit high, they wouldn't count that either because it can be expected sometimes, since nobody has a clue when your liver will stick it's oar in - or whatever it is. If you always shot up to 15 after any minor low then they would be concerned, But once in a while, no.
 
bennyg70 said:
I think the SD is a really useful piece of information!

Ill post my meter readings when Im a month In which should correspond with my next HBA1c. Should make for a good round of guess the a1c!
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I have this meter too and am going to download all the data on it this week to take a look at.

Out of interest (I never was very great at maths 😛 ) what "should" the standard deviation be, if things were ideal. I have no idea if my numbers on that are good or bad....

Also, do you do post meal tests all the time too??
 
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