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That's a lot of carbs for little nutrition value.

It might be in the future once you have got everything under control and your body has adjusted you can have a snack with little or no impact on your BG.

I might be a bit anal regarding getting things under control but certainly for me it was gaining control first and then experimenting.
I am so confused now. I thought as a starting point to get control back - I would start at 40g per meal (this is lunch - not a snack) and test and adjust carbs downwards if need to. I read somewhere for female diabetics to aim as a starter between 30g-45g per meal? Is that not correct as this is only 28.5g for lunch? I think I am confusing myself.

Is it back to the drawing board then? This probably explains why my control has gone when I thought I was doing okay. Feeling a bit deflated now. Can someone help by explaining how many carbs I should have for 3 main meals to start with and how many for snacks ( I am starting all over as if starting for the first time - as before control was good until recently so assumed I had it right).

Just an add on though - ate lunch at 2pm

pre lunch bs 10.5
45 mins later 10
1hr 45 later 13.8

that's not so good is it. Also why do my bs seem to drop after eating but then go up again? I wish I understood all of this 🙂
 
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Carb levels vary from one person to the next. My tolerance is very low so I keep to less than 30 per day. Some are fine at 60 or even more.

By removing nutritionally valueless carbs you will soon find out what's what with your BG and can then begin to experiment with more carby foodstuff.
 
Carb levels vary from one person to the next. My tolerance is very low so I keep to less than 30 per day. Some are fine at 60 or even more.

By removing nutritionally valueless carbs you will soon find out what's what with your BG and can then begin to experiment with more carby foodstuff.

Hi Lynn, what do you mean by nutritionally valueless carbs? What am I eating that isn't that? The ritz crisps maybe but surely its best to have a little of what you fancy but keep as low carb/sugar as you can rather than go really low, get bored and not be able to maintain it isn't it? At the moment I am trying to change for life which for me means thinking of what food I enjoy now and then trying to change to a healthier version of that food ( as in lower carb/sugars). I set the target at 40g carbs as a starter but you seem to be on much lower than that. As you say though its individual so I will keep trying for the next week to be as good as I can and let my bs tell me if its working -does my plan make sense and is it sensible?
 
It is your choice how to manage you diabetes. For me eating high carb snacks would mean a sacrifice of nutritionally more beneficial carbs.
 
30.5g of carbs in 30g of product? :confused: I don't see how that adds up...

Still, it's not as bad as the picture once posted here of the nutrition information for a sponge cake, which allegedly crammed nearly 6kg of carbs into only 100g of product... 🙂
 
30.5g of carbs in 30g of product? :confused: I don't see how that adds up...

Still, it's not as bad as the picture once posted here of the nutrition information for a sponge cake, which allegedly crammed nearly 6kg of carbs into only 100g of product... 🙂
Hi Robert - so sorry I am not following you. Where does it say this?
 
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Hi Robert - so sorry I am not following you. Where does it say this?
You were the one who gave the 30.5g carbs for 30g crisps figure.
 
I started out with a very low carb regime, which I've relaxed a bit now, but I still stay below 100gm a day even with the MDI. I usually have Greek yoghurt and berries or oatmeal for breakfast and occasionally splurge on a grill up or something like mushrooms on toast. Lunch is usually my main meal of the day (the point at which I am most active) and will often be some kind of casserole or stew served with extra veg and maybe sweet potato mash or chips. Evening meal is usually soup or a salad of some kind. Last night's was chicken picata with a green salad (rocket, watercress and endive) and dressing made from fresh mandarin segments, cider vinegar and a hint of honey. I don't snack much but if I have the munchies, I'll go for sweet potato crisps (I make them in the microwave), or a square or two of 85% chocolate.
 
I started out with a very low carb regime, which I've relaxed a bit now, but I still stay below 100gm a day even with the MDI. I usually have Greek yoghurt and berries or oatmeal for breakfast and occasionally splurge on a grill up or something like mushrooms on toast. Lunch is usually my main meal of the day (the point at which I am most active) and will often be some kind of casserole or stew served with extra veg and maybe sweet potato mash or chips. Evening meal is usually soup or a salad of some kind. Last night's was chicken picata with a green salad (rocket, watercress and endive) and dressing made from fresh mandarin segments, cider vinegar and a hint of honey. I don't snack much but if I have the munchies, I'll go for sweet potato crisps (I make them in the microwave), or a square or two of 85% chocolate.

Wow that is some progress with getting those bs down - well done. I am starting at 40g x 3 per day and will reduce down as necessary - so not too far away.
 
Wow that is some progress with getting those bs down - well done. I am starting at 40g x 3 per day and will reduce down as necessary - so not too far away.
Sounds like a sensible plan Lucy, you can adjust as you learn what works best for you.
 
30.5g of carbs in 30g of product? :confused: I don't see how that adds up...

Still, it's not as bad as the picture once posted here of the nutrition information for a sponge cake, which allegedly crammed nearly 6kg of carbs into only 100g of product... 🙂

My mum was doing a bake sale today, so was in the lugging stuff from the house to the village hall entourage carrying lots of cakes that I couldn't touch. Hopefully by Christmas I might be in a position to have a small piece! I'm sure some of them have that kind of level of carbs they are so good! 🙂
 
I think one of the things to bear in mind about low carbing is if you want to see results quickly, it's best to jump in with both feet and then dial back how rigid you are.

What makes low-carbing effective isn't just the reduction of the load on your blood sugar. An imperfect analogy is to see your body as a bit like a hybrid engine in a car. In this, you've got an engine that runs on electric up to a certain amount of power, before switching over to petrol. Your body is the same - it runs off carbs up to a certain point, before switching over to fat. The interesting thing is, the more carbs you eat, the later your body switches over. If you eat fewer carbs, the 'set point' diminishes. The earlier your set point, the lower your blood sugar will be, the more fat you'll burn, and the more your cholesterol will drop.

So the quickest way to drop that set point and start reaping the benefits is to go cold turkey. I personally think it's far easier to start off from going from a day with nearly 0g of carbs and then slowly add the carbs back in according to preference until it starts affecting your blood sugar. You can go the other way (ie. winding down gradually), but it'll take far longer to hit the right set point, and it'll also take far longer to get your blood sugar back down to normal levels in the first instance.

You also get far more clear feedback as well. You can tell when your set point has dropped because your body will initially kick up a fuss - most people tend to get cold-like symptoms for a few days when it happens, also known as 'Atkins flu'.
 
Do you not find that when you 0 carb or just low carb you feel so hungry and shaky?
 
Do you not find that when you 0 carb or just low carb you feel so hungry and shaky?
I find the opposite, if I have a low carb meal,it keeps me feeling full til the next meal, whereas a carby one leaves me feeling hungry in between times. Maybe as Deus XM said, it takes your body a bit of time to adjust.
 
One thing ive noticed since going low carb is feeling full but not stuffed & uncomfortable. Its about getting the fat content right. If you low carb you should increase fat to fill you up.
 
The other thing is to avoid the mistake that everyone makes when they low-carb. Most people start out on a diet that is relatively low in fat, and when they switch to low-carb, they continue to stay on a low-fat diet too, which means they are eating almost nothing. Many people who adopt a low-carb diet successfully probably take in around 60-70% of their total daily calories from fat and that's a huge conceptual shift to get your head around. You're supposed to eat plenty of eggs, butter, nuts, cheese, avocados, olives etc. If you simply carry on with your normal diet but cut out the carbs and don't do any further adjustments, what you're really doing is cutting out the calories. It's not a case of thinking "I normally have a ham sandwich, a packet of crisps and an apple for lunch, so now I'm low carbing, I'll just have the ham" - it's putting the ham in a salad with plenty of olive oil and maybe some cheese, having peanuts instead of crisps, and then some regular (not low fat) Greek yogurt with berries, for instance.

The flipside of this is that fat actually makes you feel fuller for longer. You know all that nonsense that dieticians spout about how wholemeal is amazing because it is slow release and so you have a regular, steady supply of glucose? Fat's even slower release energy, so eat the right amount and you'll not be short of energy in general and feel fuller. I second Mark's point about the difference between feeling full and uncomfortable. We're all familiar with that feeling of when we've eaten too much bread - that stuffed, lethargic, bloated feeling. That goes after a couple of hours. But I've found if I have a decent sized omelette for breakfast, I get to a point where although I don't feel stuffed, my body just refuses to want to eat anymore...and that feeling can last for hours and hours. I don't feel full, but neither do I feel hungry, and the end result is, counter-intuitively, I probably eat fewer calories in a day.

Just to emphasise, I'm not telling people they must go on a low-carb diet or that low-carb fixes everything. As a T1, lower carb intake introduces a whole new set of complex issues that need to be managed. I'm also a great believer in that people need to pick a diet that delivers the lifestyle and blood sugar goals they need, and that may or may not be low-carb. I just think it's important that everyone is in full possession of the facts, rather than the dogma that is perpetuated by nutritionists terrified of fat or Bernstein acolytes who view bread as a crime against humanity.
 
I am trying the lido roll today so thank you for making me aware. Have tested before and will test again at 2 hours. My first thought is they are much bigger than expected and very filling - still only half way through (cut them in half and toasted). Does anyone know the carbs and sugar content of each one? By the way I went at 7pm last night and got 8 (going to try freezing) and there was still lots left for everyone else

I buy about 5 at a time, cut them in half and freeze them. I tried a whole one the first time and couldn't manage it! I reckon that the extra effort chewing helps to reduce the impact of the carbs as well!
 
Thanks DeusXM. I had switched to lower carbs, and had a vague idea of the fat issues. Please keep your detailed info coming as I will gradually get to understand it. Is there a book that you would recommend on this. I have so far only had the dietician advice of the DUK balanced diet plate, ie you need carbs.
 
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