Eggs for breakfast benefits those with diabetes

[mikeyB]

What, might I ask, has Mānuka honey got to do with anything? And applying leeches to do their thing in order to live is not animal exploitation, it’s keeping them healthy, so strictly speaking doesn’t contravene either a vegetarian or vegan diet.

And leg ulcers heal better with maggots, not dolloping honey on them.

 

[Hepato-pancreato]

Didn’t benefit edwina currie.
Always remember eggs chopped up in a cup when you was ill as a child.
Think the new one is scrambled egg in a cup. Quick and easy to make using microwave.

 

[Madeline]

What, might I ask, has Mānuka honey got to do with anything?

Bee exploitation. Forcing them to make us honey via bee slave labour when we steal it and replace it with sugar solution.

Possibly there’s also maggot and leech exploitation issues. I’m fine with veganism until it strays into daft territory.

 

[Sally71]

Plenty are. Not sure where the hypocrisy comes into it. Human insulin now.

Banting and Best killed hundreds of dogs whilst they were trying to isolate insulin. And if they hadn't done that no T1 would be alive today. Or don't vegans mind if poor little fluffy wuffy animals come to harm if it's for medical purposes? Which means we think we're more important than the animals, if we can sacrifice their lives to save ours, which doesn't really fit with what I know of a strict vegan's ideals if they think that eating eggs exploits chickens unfairly. But I am not vegan or vegetarian and am never likely to be so please correct me if I have got that wrong.

When I was young animal experiments were a big issue, and I remember thinking even then that no I don't agree with rabbits etc being force fed lipsticks and so on just to make sure they aren't toxic, but experiments for medical reasons I can't argue with can I, because if it wasn't for them I wouldn't exist at all, because my mum wouldn't have lived long enough to have me

 

[Matt Cycle]

Banting and Best killed hundreds of dogs whilst they were trying to isolate insulin. And if they hadn't done that no T1 would be alive today. Or don't vegans mind if poor little fluffy wuffy animals come to harm if it's for medical purposes? Which means we think we're more important than the animals, if we can sacrifice their lives to save ours, which doesn't really fit with what I know of a strict vegan's ideals if they think that eating eggs exploits chickens unfairly. But I am not vegan or vegetarian and am never likely to be so please correct me if I have got that wrong.

When I was young animal experiments were a big issue, and I remember thinking even then that no I don't agree with rabbits etc being force fed lipsticks and so on just to make sure they aren't toxic, but experiments for medical reasons I can't argue with can I, because if it wasn't for them I wouldn't exist at all, because my mum wouldn't have lived long enough to have me

Depends if they're dietary vegans or ethical vegans. I don't know, you'd have to ask them. The issue is you can't un-discover something. Do you not use it because it's been tested on animals? That would rule out most things on the planet including water. Vegan who smokes? I knew a few but did they think about the smoking beagles at ICI in 1975?

Animal testing doesn't always work - thalidomide had been tested on animals and passed for human use. It's the 21st century surely we have moved on from this sort of testing.

It's an emotive subject. I don't eat animals and try and try and avoid animal products (although I'm no longer a vegan) because I don't agree animals as sentient creatures should be used in this way. If you eat meat would you eat a dog? If not, why not? I don't agree with animal testing mainly because in this day and age it's poor science. I'm not a spokesperson for anyone but myself, there's probably flaws in my reasoning but it's just my opinion.;

 

[Sally71]

Interesting thoughts - thank you

And yes, I've also always thought that if you are happy to eat pigs, cows and sheep, why not dogs, cats, horses, squirrels or anything else. I'd eat a steak from any animal, I've eaten kangaroo before. Animals eat animals, that's nature and nature is cruel sometimes. As you say it's an emotive subject and there are many different opinions.

 

[Eddy Edson]

I've eaten kangaroo before

Here in Oz you sometimes get the question of why don't people eat more kangaroo, given that it's cheap, lean and nutritious. Reluctance to eat Skippy, or because it doesn't actually taste very good? I don't mind it, but it does take a lot of marinading or whatever to make it OK.

On eating animals in general: I drift more towards veggo these days, in my quest to drive LDL cholesterol down to the level of a neonate hamster, and I can get queasy and a bit ethically uncomfortable when I think about the actual mechanics of slaughter.

But then I notice how the cat stares at me, hunger in its merciless glassy eyes ...

 

[Andy HB]

Oooh I like a duck egg, they're more, err, eggy!

I do too.

Scrambled goose eggs are a thing to behold though. Incredibly rich! Er, the scrambled goose egg, not the person buying it!

 

[mikeyB]

Depends if they're dietary vegans or ethical vegans. I don't know, you'd have to ask them. The issue is you can't un-discover something. Do you not use it because it's been tested on animals? That would rule out most things on the planet including water. Vegan who smokes? I knew a few but did they think about the smoking beagles at ICI in 1975?

Animal testing doesn't always work - thalidomide had been tested on animals and passed for human use. It's the 21st century surely we have moved on from this sort of testing.

It's an emotive subject. I don't eat animals and try and try and avoid animal products (although I'm no longer a vegan) because I don't agree animals as sentient creatures should be used in this way. If you eat meat would you eat a dog? If not, why not? I don't agree with animal testing mainly because in this day and age it's poor science. I'm not a spokesperson for anyone but myself, there's probably flaws in my reasoning but it's just my opinion.;

A fine explanation, Matt. Couple of things - I don’t think water was consumed by humans because animals drank it. We are all animals.🙂

And Thaildomide was tested on animals, but only for toxicity. It was never tested on pregnant animals, which is why the US, to its great credit, never allowed it in the country.

For sure, I agree that animal testing is poor science. And manipulating the genes of animals to give them our diseases is Frankenstein science.

I can’t justify eating animals, but I do. Humans always have, and our dentition and metabolism have evolved accordingly. To be fair, I will eat most things, including horse, frogs, and kangaroo. In ancient history, humans didn’t eat cats or dogs, it was the other way round. For fun, try and figure out the carnivores that humans have eaten. There aren’t many.