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Driver's Licence Suspension and DVLA Petition

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Hi Martyn, I signed a few days ago as I would hate my daughter to face all this rubbish when she enters adulthood. I admire your hard work and effort you are putting into resolving this injustice, keep at it
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Thank you so, so much for supporting, did you manage to share too? Thank you as well for the kind words, I'm trying to do this for people like your daughter!

Best,

- Martyn
 
Yes, I have shared of course 🙂
 
Sorry Martin I have tried signing the petition but I keep getting an error message.😡 Will try again tomorrow.
 
redrevis said:
This is all down to the definition of 'severe' and daytime and night time hypo awareness. The DVLA define severe as "requiring the assistance of another person". Like the DVLA said, they won't make any allowance for a severe hypo happening in the night. They also state:




So they would see having a severe hypo in the night as you not having good enough hypo awareness which would wake you up before it became severe. Due to them not distinguishing between day and night hypos, this would conclude to them believing that your day time awareness is not good enough to allow you to drive, hence revoking your licence.
The only thing that will change this is for the DVLA to distinguish between day and night time hypo awareness and unfortunately I can't see them doing that anytime soon.

All quotes taken from here: http://www.dft.gov.uk/dvla/medical/aag/D/Diabetes - Insulin treated.aspx

Petition signed and tweeted as well.

offtopic: Nice to see another Martyn with a Y on the forums 🙂
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Interestingly, DVLA does distinguish between fits during night time / sleeping and day time / awake for people with epilepsy - class 1 drivers (cars & motorbikes) who only have fits in their sleep can apply to regain their licence after 1 year with only that type of fit, instead of having to wait 3 years. And there is a 6 month period after a change of medication, instead of previous 1 year period. Those who have daytime fits still have to remain fit free for 3 years.
 
Sorry Martin I have tried signing the petition but I keep getting an error message. Will try again tomorrow.
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No problem, thank you for trying! I wonder if its happening to anybody else? I hope not!

Best,

- Martyn
 
Hi Martyn Are the DVLA refering to question have you ever had a hypo ??? and beceuse you put yes they have decided you unfit to drive ??? 😱😱 I am so sorry to read this have tryd to sighn but wont let me il try again tommrw
Marie
 
Hello everybody!

Hi Martyn Are the DVLA refering to question have you ever had a hypo ??? and beceuse you put yes they have decided you unfit to drive ??? I am so sorry to read this have tryd to sighn but wont let me il try again tommrw
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That's exactly it, Marie. Thank you for your sympathy and for attempting to sign, did you have any joy signing today?

I had a phone call today from Diabetes UK's "Advocacy" service which essentially backs up what I've read regarding the absence of medical evidence cited during the discussions regarding the EU directive's creation and the DVLA's interpretation thereof (thank you to those who linked me to that information). This is especially encouraging news as it means that I'm at least on the right path with this and that I have a solid argument. I've also been passed information regarding the International Diabetes Federation and the Association of British Clinical Diabetologists who opposed this EU directive and UK interpretation when they were first proposed. The Association of British Clinical Diabetologists in particular queried the evidence behind the decision but was never presented with any. I'm intending to contact both of these groups to gain further information which could help increase the effect of the petition in parliament.

Keep signing and sharing guys, thank you all so much for your support so far!

Best,

- Martyn
 
OMG 😱😱 I said yes on my quistionair that im posting on Tue after i get my photo done to yes that iv had a hypo in last 12 months bt not needing assistance from anyone as i managed it myself OMG im so worryd now , Not had chance to do petition il just go try now
 
Sorry Martyn It still wont let me everytime i click sighn it comes up error on page will keep trying though .
 
Marier said:
OMG 😱😱 I said yes on my quistionair that im posting on Tue after i get my photo done to yes that iv had a hypo in last 12 months bt not needing assistance from anyone as i managed it myself OMG im so worryd now , Not had chance to do petition il just go try now
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Why the heck did you tell em you had had a hypo if you didn't need help?
Have a look at this booklet on how to fill the form in http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consu...n/@motor/documents/digitalasset/dg_202154.pdf

Perhaps you need to review what you have written and if it's not correct then download the form from the net and rewrite it.
 
Marier said:
OMG 😱😱 I said yes on my quistionair that im posting on Tue after i get my photo done to yes that iv had a hypo in last 12 months bt not needing assistance from anyone as i managed it myself OMG im so worryd now , Not had chance to do petition il just go try now
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There are distinct boxes on the form for hypos that needed assistance if I remember right.

I have said that I have had hypos (which is true as I haven't stayed above 4.0mmol/L for 12 months and my meter will show that) but that I have had *no* hypos that needed 3rd party assistance (also true - not had anything I couldn't deal with 100% myself for years). My license was renewed fine, so depending on what you put in which box you should OK I think.
 
Whilst I sympathise with your predicament, Martyn, Can I ask why you seem obsessed with Type 1 Diabetes as the rules and form DIAB1 applies to any diabetic on appropriate medicine, I can only think that you will confuse people (non-D people that is). The way you have worded your petition and website means I cannot support you.

I also don't understand why this is not in the Driving/DVLA forum either.
 
Vicsetter said:
I also don't understand why this is not in the Driving/DVLA forum either.
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It began there, and another member suggested that a duplicatre thread was created in General (to attract more attention). I merged the two threads so save confusion, but perhaps it is now time to return it back to the DVLA board where the OP put it originally.
 
Vicsetter said:
Whilst I sympathise with your predicament, Martyn, Can I ask why you seem obsessed with Type 1 Diabetes as the rules and form DIAB1 applies to any diabetic on appropriate medicine, I can only think that you will confuse people (non-D people that is). The way you have worded your petition and website means I cannot support you.

I also don't understand why this is not in the Driving/DVLA forum either.
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It is now 🙂 I agree that often Type 1 is portrayed as the only type that will be using insulin or other hypoglycaemic agents which can limit the response to petitions.

I'm just glad I don't drive, the number of times this same problem seems to appear, but I do agree that a sleeping/night time hypo should never be a basis for withdrawing the license :(
 
Hi everyone,

There are distinct boxes on the form for hypos that needed assistance if I remember right.
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Just to clarify: there's only the one box which you should tick if you've had two hypos that required assistance. There are no questions on the form regarding hypos that did not require assistance.

Whilst I sympathise with your predicament, Martyn, Can I ask why you seem obsessed with Type 1 Diabetes as the rules and form DIAB1 applies to any diabetic on appropriate medicine, I can only think that you will confuse people (non-D people that is). The way you have worded your petition and website means I cannot support you.
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Its not that I'm obsessed its just that I wasn't sure how these things worked for type 2 diabetics! The petition has now been updated so that it covers all diabetics, I'll be changing any wording on the www.diabetesdvla.co.uk website too to reflect this. Thank you for pointing it out (some others have too before hand, its not that I ignored you all I just ended up getting caught up in some other task that needed doing!).

Thank you all once again for signing and sharing, please keep it up!

Best,

- Martyn
 
Hello Martyn. I've just signed your petition.. I totally agree with you.
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Thanks, spiritfree, means a lot! Don't forget to share it if you have the time, the more people that see this, the better. Glad you agree, seems like this is provoking strong reactions from people. I still have no idea how this was put into action by the EU and DVLA despite a complete lack of medical evidence.

Best,

- Martyn
 
Hi Martyn,

I have shared this on the CWD list (childrenwithdiabetes) as there are over 500 members (parents of a child with Type 1) so hopefully you will get more support.🙂Bev
 
I have shared this on the CWD list (childrenwithdiabetes) as there are over 500 members (parents of a child with Type 1) so hopefully you will get more support.Bev
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Thank you so much Bev, that's exactly what I need! Very much appreciated :D

Best,

- Martyn
 
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