Dominic Cummings claims ministers backed herd immunity against Covid

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From the man who lied thru his teeth on live tv, so wouldnt believe word man says.
I think that the thing there though is that he was lying to protect himself - Johnson has made an enemy of him now by accusing him of leaks to the media, so I'm perfectly willing to believe he has lots of genuine dirt on the government, and PM in particular, and is now more than happy to release it in order to attack those he feels slighted and challenged by.
 
An observation on obesity here,@pm133 . We went to Whitby last week, on the one warm sunny day there’s been recently. It was busy. The area round the harbour (near the car parks) was rammed with people sitting in cafes eating fish and chips, and most of them were overweight. We then walked up to the top of the cliff, where it was much less crowded and there were still people eating fish and chips, but in takeaway boxes that they’d bought down in the town, then walked up to the benches to eat. Most of these people were normal weight. So I have to conclude that exercise plays a part, and motivation plays a part in whether you take exercise or not. We fled the busy town because I hate crowded places and the smell of cheap frying oil, and I was motivated to walk up the steep hill to a quiet spot. Presumably for those whose main motivation was the pleasure of a plate of fish and chips, they missed out on the exercise.
When I was growing up, obesity was rare. But everyone used up more energy in their daily lives. Many people didn’t have cars, and walked or cycled to school or work, houses didn’t have central heating, I’m sure I burned up the odd few hundred calories just keeping warm. For the first few years away from home, I lugged my heavy washing to the laundrette down the road, and back. I carried my shopping to the bus stop and then to my house. People had to exercise because they didn’t have the choice. People didn’t buy snacks between meals because food was relatively expensive. Now they can choose whether to exercise, and some choose not to. Add to the mix that it has become the norm to eat on the go wherever you are, whereas I don’t remember anyone eating on buses or trains, and certainly not in the street when I was growing up in the 60s and 70s. I agree, portion sizes, the power of advertising for companies trying to maximise profit, more spending power for some consumers, and cheap junk food, have all played their part.
I have to add here, that I was one of the few overweight girls in my class at school, about 2 stones overweight, because I was unhappy and I comfort ate. I lost it when I left home and went to Uni. But what kept a lid on it for me, was that ordinary clothes shops only went up to a size 14 (which is the equivalelent of a 12 now, as sizes have got more generous) and I knew if I got any bigger my only option would be shop at Evans Outsizes, which was the only chain catering for larger sizes. Nowadays, people expect to find xxxl clothes as standard, and 2 stone overweight is accepted as the new normal, so no alarm bells ring.
Sorry, rant over, and I’ve gone way off topic!

In the late 70s, fish suppers were an occasional treat our family indulged in once a year on holiday. My mum used to save coins in a penny jar for it too.
We never used to get much in the way of chocolate or sweets either and when we did get treats it was a few pence so we couldn't buy much.
Even so, I don't remember having cravings for anything.

We rarely used the car because my dad was at work with it so we walked, ran and cycled everywhere. On a rare occasion, my mum would treat us to a bus ride to town which was 1-2 miles away.
As kids we were never in the house. My mum used to keep us in if she needed to punish us!!

Remember we also had smaller supermarkets then too. My mum used to visit several shops each week.

Things have changed so quickly that it's hard to imagine this was all only around 40 years ago. I remember it all as clear as day.
 
Not just us. A new report suggests that HALF A BILLION people in the world now have diabetes, many of whom don't know they have it.

If that's even remotely accurate then that is a shocking state of affairs.
And it all seems to have exploded in the last 40 years too.
 
I suspect that the “unknown” diabetics won’t be able to afford glucose reading watches. The vast majority of people with diabetes in the UK have been diagnosed because of better education and healthcare, so I don’t think the NHS will be swamped.
 
If the new glucose reading watches make it onto the worldwide market, no doubt all these "unknown" diabetics will soon become "known". How will healthcare systems deal with a huge and sudden surge in numbers? How would our NHS handle all these extra diabetic patients?
It's not going to be sustainable to just treat the symptoms of diabetes if these numbers are accurate.
It'll also need significant sums of money spent on ensuring the root causes are identified and dealt with at source.

Of course, treating the condition will be see savings as more severe and costly complications would be avoided but this is very bad news indeed and it can't be allowed to continue.
 
How can they say how many people are living with undiagnosed diabetes? You can’t count them unless they’ve been diagnosed.
 
Anyway, it's pretty good TV.
 
It's weird, he sounds almost honest.
BJ "wanted to be like the mayor in Jaws". That's a keeper.

Testimony seems to skewer any notion that failure to close borders was based on anything real.
 
If Johnson and Hancock had any decency whatsoever, they resign tonight and let Sunak take over as Prime Minister.

If Cumming had any decency, he'd walk off into the sunset and never blight public service again.

How on earth did we get to the point where we had people like this running the country?
 
If Johnson and Hancock had any decency whatsoever, they resign tonight and let Sunak take over as Prime Minister.

If Cumming had any decency, he'd walk off into the sunset and never blight public service again.

How on earth did we get to the point where we had people like this running the country?
It was a question asked by Cummings in his evidence. He also asked how on earth you could end up with a choice between Johnston and Corbyn and him as a senior advisor. He concluded that there must be something fundamentally wrong with the political process. No matter who you vote for you are likely to end up with a Prime Minister who would never have got the job if there had been a proper recruitment process.
 
It was a question asked by Cummings in his evidence. He also asked how on earth you could end up with a choice between Johnston and Corbyn and him as a senior advisor. He concluded that there must be something fundamentally wrong with the political process. No matter who you vote for you are likely to end up with a Prime Minister who would never have got the job if there had been a proper recruitment process.

That was by far the worst choice we've had at a General Election that I can ever remember. Neither Johnson nor Corbyn should have been anywhere near the job.
Fortunately in Scotland we had another credible party to vote for but if I had still been living in England I wouldn't have voted at all.

I can't recall the last time we had such an appalling government with absolutely no credible opposition at UK level. It's pretty disheartening.
 
Fortunately in Scotland we had another credible party to vote for but if I had still been living in England I wouldn't have voted at all.
I take the electoral system we're apparently stuck with seriously: I'm not voting for a Prime Minister, I'm voting for my representative in parliament. (Technically I suppose in one election I was, since Vince Cable was at the time leader of the Liberal Democrats.)
 
I take the electoral system we're apparently stuck with seriously: I'm not voting for a Prime Minister, I'm voting for my representative in parliament. (Technically I suppose in one election I was, since Vince Cable was at the time leader of the Liberal Democrats.)

Oh I take it seriously as well. We have the freedom not only to decide who to put in power but we also have the freedom to not vote at all.

I've always taken the view that I'm voting for the next government.
This is probably how most people vote.
I've never been interested in the local candidate themselves.
In fact I probably couldn't name them.

If none of the two parties who could credibly govern have fit and proper leaders (and that was clearly the case with Corbyn and Johnson) then there would have been nobody for me to vote for in that scenario.

Fortunately, in Scotland we do have a credible alternative to both and we also have a specific issue worth voting for.
 
We antipodeans have come through the pandemic with no excess mortality (in fact, negative excess mortality), mostly no "lock downs" or other restrictions for most of the time, strong economies and clear "exit strategies" with vaccination. What more could you ask for?

Looks like Victoria is going back into yet another lockdown.
Just 1.7% of the population is vaccinated!!!! Wow. That is truly appalling.
This isn't over for anyone yet unfortunately.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19...r-lockdown-due-to-recent-virus-cases-12317965
 
I take the electoral system we're apparently stuck with seriously: I'm not voting for a Prime Minister, I'm voting for my representative in parliament. (Technically I suppose in one election I was, since Vince Cable was at the time leader of the Liberal Democrats.)

Spot on @Bruce Stephens.

One of the things not much commented on in recent local elections is the move away from traditional voting patterns. I like to think that has something to do the electorate thinking more locally. I am told that West Oxfordshire has been lost by the conservatives - something almost totally unthinkable. I am also told that it had little to do who is leading what party, but more to do with local issues and how they are being handled by the incumbents. I would like to think that the same thing is happening in where Labour have lost control.

If that is right then it has got to be a good thing.
 
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