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diabetic retinopathy..PLEASE HELP

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ferrington78

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Hello there, I am so hoping that you can help me or advise me one way or another. I have been type one since 12 years old in 1990.Basically 6 months ago at my refular eye sreening I was told out of the blue that I may need laser treatment! I wasn't told anymore and 1 week later I had an appointment with the laser guy. It hurt SO much but when I asked if I was going to go blind The Consultant laughed and said of course not but you do need this treatment. I went in for lasers every other week right up to xmas and since then I have had very little sight. I've been told nothing and don't know what to do. At the moment my right eye has had 10,000 burns and I have a blurred spot right in the middle of my sight, Lasers will be done on this eye this week. My left eye had some lasers last week and is now up to 12,000 burns. The left eye is full of blood and has been for 3 weeks now, after 3 big bleeds. I am so scared but have no idea what the plan or hope for my eyes is. They say that I will need an operation on the left eye..but what then? The laser treatment hasn't worked and there is no signs of the retinopathy stablising so whats next? Will I just keep bleeding until I am totally blind? I have no information and feel completely lost. Right now it sounds stupid but I have had to buy dark prescription wrap round glasses to keep out any light ( which hurts ) and a white stick!!! It's a night mare but I really do have very little sight. I live alone and am struggling to do alot of things, who if anyone can help? My eyes hurt VERY badly all the time now and I feel like giving up. PLease can anyone help?? I'm sorry for any typiing errors but I cant really see the keyboard so am having to go real slow.
 
Hello Ferrington, you are having a tough time at present. Welcome to the forum, some of our more experienced guys will be around soon I would think and can offer more help than I could.
 
I think you should contact PALS. Ask them to go with you to your next appointment. They can help you get your questions answered. I'm shocked at what's happened to you and the total lack of information you've had.
 
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Hi ferrington78, welcome to the forum. I'm very sorry to hear about the laser treatment, and shocked that you have been left with so little information about what will happen. We have several members who have had significant laser treatment and eye surgery and I believe that the outcomes or usually very good. Hopefully some of our members will be able to reassure you and perhaps fill in some of the details of what to expect.

Perhaps you could arrange an appointment to speak to the consultant, your GP or a DSN who should be able to explain things to you, or you could try talking to the Diabetes UK Careline service - details here:

http://www.diabetes.org.uk/How_we_help/Careline/
 
Hi Ferrington, just wanted to send you my sympathy and amazement that you have been given so little information and left in such a bad state. How was your eyesight before the lasering? I really feel very sorry for you and wish I could help more. I am sure someone with a bit more knowledge will reply to your post as soon as they are able but in the meantime PALS might be a good starting point to get somebody alongside you to get some answers. All the very best. Karen.xx
 
Hi,

Just wanted to let you know that I had 6 months of being severely sight impaired due to retinopathy in 2007. It had been treated with lasers up until that point, but the laser couldn't get through the blood after my significant bleeds. I have had around 25000 burns in total, over both eyes.

I then had a vitrectomy on one eye in November 2007 - where they remove the fluid and the cell structure that kind of holds dead blood in place inside your eye - and replace it with saline/a gas bubble. Recovery took two or three months, but I ended up with 20/20 vision in that eye again although with a reduced field of vision.

I had a vitrectomy on my other eye in March last year, and now (wearing glasses) have 20/20 vision. I still hold a driving license, too, although it was suspended for a time while my vision was affected.
 
Hi there, thankyou for your replies, I agree about the information thing, I am not the most confident person and find asking questions hard but as you can inagine fear has made my ask, however the laser guy is really bad, I feel very uncomfortable with him, he wont look me in the eye when talking, he wont answer the questions I ask and tuts alot at me during the lasering, Oh and He had me clean up the prevous patients blood a few weeks ago as it was all over the chin rest thinkgy and the table! As frasking someone else I have paid to go private and pay simply so I can ask questions and the guy I will be seeing is the consultant from the hospital anyway? To answer the question from flutterby, my sight was perfect before this all began 6 months ago. I don't know how much good the lasers are doing but The consulatant tol me they aren't qworking. I am just in so much pain, my right eye is swimming in blood and I can't see hardly anything, IF my right eye has a bleed now I will not be able to see anything at all...what do I do then? And for anyone who has been through this or knoows someine who has can you please tell me how it ends becuase I am so afraid of going blind and right now that is what I feel is going to happen and very very soon. Thankyou all so much
 
Ask your hospital to refer you to their social services team - most should have a standing arrangement, mine referred me to my local adult SS team.

I got a home visit to assess what help I needed and as a result gave me a talking clock, a daylight lamp, a gadget to put over the side of a mug/glass so I could tell when it was full, plus she put some textured stickers on my microwave so I could feel where the buttons were. For me, that was enough to get through, but she did have other stuff she could source too.

She also took me outside and went through various safe routes for regular places I needed to walk to, and showed me how pedestrian crossings with no beep have a thing that rotates that you can feel if you can't see the green man.

HTH, good luck.
 
Hi Ferrington. Firstly...a big ((((hug)))) - I know from fairly recent experience how this feels! I'll give you my experience in a minute but firstly I'd just suggest that if you can get help with transport (or afford taxis etc) I would see your GP & demand a second opinion at another hospital. A second opinion is your right under the nhs & there should be no problem getting one, but you will speed the process if you can suggest who you want to be seen by to your gp. You also have the right under 'choose & book' as to where you are treated. I don't know whereabouts you are but I'm in the midlands, had a grim experience at one east midlands hospital & when they didn't seem to have a treatment plan but seemed to just laser without any further checks I paid for a private second opinion by a specialist who also works at the Birmingham Midland Eye Centre (nhs). Further to travel to & it cost ?175 but was so worth it! I could probably have been seen by him under the nhs but it would have taken a lot longer, either way you will need your GP to write you a referral letter. If you are in that area & want details let me know & I'll pm you.

I'm not sure where to start on the rest, but have they told you a)exactly what's wrong - ie is it solely retinopathy or is the blurr in the central vision maculopathy? They are different although both are treatable with laser...and b) what the op is? I;m assuming a vitrectomy... I'll tell you what's happened to me: Had diabetes nearly 30yrs, developed background retinopathy which was picked up on screening. Had a baby, within a year or so (accelerated by the pregnancy) it was proliferative retinopathy & like you I needed laser in both eyes. Had a second baby, which again worsened the retinopathy, needing more laser...and whilst one eye did seem to respond well to laser, the other kept on bleeding. the hospital I was at kept assuming what I was describing as bleeds was just 'old blood' and & despite noting a patch of scar tissue, and commenting on the lack of new vessel growth (ie retinopathy!!!) decided to just keep on lasering including a very heavy session in theatre...until I lost faith, got my GP to refer me for a 2nd opinion & got seen by a consultant who simply took the time to just have a really good look at my eye...spotted that a patch of post laser scarring had snagged a vessel & was straining & tearing it & that no amount of laser would ever have fixed that problem. I got my care transfered to the nhs hospital where he works & long story short had a vitrectomy under general anesthetic earlier this month - already my vision is improved & I am so glad I was seen & treated by this doc/hospital.

I'm not sure how much (doesn't sound like much!) the people 'caring' for you have explained, but I understand retinopathy is were extra, unnecessary blood vessels grow in the eye - they are weak, easily tear & bleed, which is a pain! Over time if untreated, this process of vessel growth, bleeding, scarring etc will cause blindness. As i understand it, the lasering is not so much to directly cauterize the vessels as to switch off the signal the body gets to grow them by kind of deliberately damaging the eye - hence if you do have massive amounts of laser peripheral vision will eventually be affected, but in most cases lasering early will protect most of your vision. 'Massive' really means massive here, laser sessions normally involve thousands of 'burns' so don't worry about the numbers too much I guess! 🙂 The vitrectomy itself can be either under a local (which a friend at work had) or a general. Personally when I had the theatre session of laser at the old hospital I was put off the idea of willingly having another local anesthetic in the eye, so I was quite glad to be knocked out.

One final note - I am totally horrified that they had you cleaning up somene's blood?! Can't imagine how someone would bleed on a normal slit lamp laser table unless they had caught themselves though - so a point to reassure you, the process of lasering should not make you bleed on the kit, but a point to raise with PALS, what the flipping heck are they doing asking patients to clean up other patients' body fluids?!!! 😱 Serious grounds for a formal complaint & transfer of care there alone I should think!

Re the light sensitivity / pain, I too react quite badly to lasering & find vdus / fluourescent lights etc v uncomfortable for some days after, the more laser you have, the more so I'm afraid. Over the counter pain relief will help a bit, plus avoiding those irritants if poss. Also your eyes will be struggling to focus through the blood, which will be tiring them too.

Please do get in touch with PALS, and get a second opinion - I google'd retinopathy / vitrectomy surgeons, then cross ref'd with nhs choices in a get-at-able area. Quite hard work at the time but necessary!!

All the very best, & I am so sorry you've been treated so badly.

(ps - laughing at your fears / questions is simply arrogant & outrageous - what an *******!!!!)
 
Hi there, Twitchy thankyou so much for your post...you have stopped my immediate fears of blindness, I was told that 6,000 burns was normal and didn't know how much ore my eyes can take ( the pain is so bad ) The bleeding is scaring me to death but if it's normal (ish) then I will try to relax abit about it. I have been tol dby many people that I should make a complaunt about the laser guy but I am almost too scared to incase it angers him. I hope to god that after the vic..omy thing that my eye stableises I am so scarred aout the whole thing. No one seems t care and the hospital ( shrewsbury by the way ) are being really ...don't know a good word but they don't seem to care and wont tell me anything. I am worried as is my mum about what I do IF my vision goes and what I am supossed to do, I quess ring 999? I am so very pleased that you have finally got it sorted and I hope that your eyes stay strong and true for a very long time!! Good luck to you hun and thanks again for all your much needed reassurance, I owe you alot!
 
No worries hun...but i would Very strongly recommend that you get your treatment transferred Or at the very least get a second opinion given what has happened so far. Either you'll get confirmation that they are doing the right thing in the right way or maybe another optionmight be available - either way you get to see a diff doc from another hospital & compare care & get the chance to see if you would feel better cared for elsewhere. If i were you i'd talk to your gp, get him to get you seen under nhs choices - i'll pm you the name of the really good consultant who's seen me if you want me to - or i think your doc could refer you to bmec (birmingham midland eye centre)in general- i think from where you are hopefully Birmingham is accessible. My experiences at the old hospital were awful, bmec were wonderful, they are one of the largest specialist centres in europe and have been unfailingly kind & professional. It's not right or fair that anyone has belittled your fears or failed to explain to you what's going on, and as for getting you to clean someone elses blood up...😱😡 Wrong wrong wrong!!!
 
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Hi there twitchy, Thankyou once again. I'm trying not to panic too much but my left eye has now completley filled with blood as in numb but I am still being told to just wait till my next appointment...not sure what to do to be honest. I'd love the name of the consultant you saw in Brum as I can get there very easily and I am desperate to get a second opinion from someone I can trust. In the meantime I have a patch over my left eye so I can see abit clearer...just hope I don't have a big bleed in the right eye now! Thankoyu!!
 
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