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Diabetes Consultant - 1st Visit Experience

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Ooooo PM133, I know exactly where you're coming from. Over the decades I've had rubbish diabetic doctors, nurses and a GP who was as much use as a chocolate fireguard! It really is pot luck if you get a good 'un. There were also quite a few years when I never saw the same diabetic doctor - I just went to my appointments to check that my blood tests were ok. To be honest, I've worked with many academics in the engineering and electronics world and they were completely pants at communication (knowledge was vast but sadly lacking in conversation) and so I assumed doctors were no different. That was until the last couple of years when, by pure luck, a new doctor arrived with not only good communication skills but understanding, an open mind and a sense of humour. I've hit the jackpot!!!!!! Yayyyyy. I just hope he stays.
Yeah, I've some experience working in both electronics and academia so I know where you are coming from there. Sometimes the lack of ability to perform simple communications takes your breath away. I have published multiple papers with a guy who was absolutely fine to talk to in the office but if I passed him in the corridor, he looked as if he was going to burst into tears. He was a brilliant scientist but had no idea of how to just say Hello to someone as you pass them. He must have been panicking in case he had to engage in small talk with me (which I don't do anyway). 🙂 Poor guy!

I was watching the film Patch Adams last week. Newly minted medical doctors should be forced to watch it. 🙂
 
My vert first consultant after diagnosis announced his presence by standing at the bottom of my hospital bed surrounded by a posse of students and saying 'I'm looking for a young woman who knows her own mind - would that be you by any chance? and grinning. I replied - It might be, who wants to know?

I'd been visited on the Friday by some elderly woman with short straggly hair (who looked like a cleaner to me and Brenda in the next bed) who bore leaflets and said she was the Professor's nurse and had been asked to give me some reading matter about Diabetes then noticing my birth control pills just inside my bedside cabinet told me straight off Well you'll have to stop taking them now, won't you! so I asked Why's that, then? Will that cure Type 1 diabetes or what? No - just that some reckon taking the pill might encourage a lady to become diabetic. So I said Sounds like locking the door after the horse has bolted to me. Well - I'll have to report this to the Professor! was her parting threat as she sailed off.

Leaving me to comment to Brenda Report it to whoever you like luv, but don't expect me to alter my view that getting pregnant right now would be much more of a bloody disaster than Type 1!

Prof M was a lovely man, with an excellent sense of humour.
 
My vert first consultant after diagnosis announced his presence by standing at the bottom of my hospital bed surrounded by a posse of students and saying 'I'm looking for a young woman who knows her own mind - would that be you by any chance? and grinning. I replied - It might be, who wants to know?

I'd been visited on the Friday by some elderly woman with short straggly hair (who looked like a cleaner to me and Brenda in the next bed) who bore leaflets and said she was the Professor's nurse and had been asked to give me some reading matter about Diabetes then noticing my birth control pills just inside my bedside cabinet told me straight off Well you'll have to stop taking them now, won't you! so I asked Why's that, then? Will that cure Type 1 diabetes or what? No - just that some reckon taking the pill might encourage a lady to become diabetic. So I said Sounds like locking the door after the horse has bolted to me. Well - I'll have to report this to the Professor! was her parting threat as she sailed off.

Leaving me to comment to Brenda Report it to whoever you like luv, but don't expect me to alter my view that getting pregnant right now would be much more of a bloody disaster than Type 1!

Prof M was a lovely man, with an excellent sense of humour.

I think that story is going to take some beating.
You have won "c**p Health Care Professional" Top Trumps with that. 🙂
Jeezo. I'd love to say times have changed.......
 
Oh dear, what a disappointing first consultation. Hopefully you’ll see someone else next time.

I think I’ve always been really lucky with consultants since the start ...maybe a couple of average registrars, but that’s it.

My current consultant (and her team of DSNs) is (are) great. Very positive and proactive. She listens. She tells us we are our own experts, but encouraging us to ring the DSNs if we have any concerns however small.

I particularly warmed to her during maybe our second consultation. I was saying something along the lines of people who seem to have perfect control....she said something like “they don’t!” Best of all she then said and if they really do, don’t you just want to tell them to p*** off? .....well, yes I do🙂
 
I think that story is going to take some beating.
You have won "c**p Health Care Professional" Top Trumps with that. 🙂
Jeezo. I'd love to say times have changed.......
I don't think so mate - that was in 1972 - the fusty woman disappeared and was replaced by Heather who was lovely and wore a proper cornflower blue nurses uniform complete with lovely cap, starched apron and black elasticated belt with silver buckle. Oh - and a proper cape outdoors. Of course nobody wears such things these days. I know they aren't exactly practical - but I DO miss seeing them.
 
Oh - and Professor M was a teaching prof at Birmingham Uni Medical School and a consultant at the QE and just filled in at Kidderminster hospital on Mondays cos they didn't have a D consultant so it helped them no end and he lived locally anyway - his son was one of the GPs in Bewdley.
 
Yeah, I've some experience working in both electronics and academia so I know where you are coming from there. Sometimes the lack of ability to perform simple communications takes your breath away. I have published multiple papers with a guy who was absolutely fine to talk to in the office but if I passed him in the corridor, he looked as if he was going to burst into tears. He was a brilliant scientist but had no idea of how to just say Hello to someone as you pass them. He must have been panicking in case he had to engage in small talk with me (which I don't do anyway). 🙂 Poor guy!

I was watching the film Patch Adams last week. Newly minted medical doctors should be forced to watch it. 🙂
:D I used to work with someone who, if greeted with a hug, used to stand to attention with a blank look on his face!
 
An update:

I phoned the consultant today to see if my C-Peptide test results were back.
I am smack bang on the lowest reading for the normal range so this confirms a diagnosis of Type 1 as I thought.

Just as well I didn't accept his diagnosis of Type 2 and have him stop my insulin. Goodness knows how many other type 1s are being misdiagnosed as type 2 in this region.

So, for any newcomers to diabetes out there, educate yourself enough to ask good questions and refuse to be fobbed off by arrogant experts, whether that be consultants, GPs or diabetes nurses. They don't have all the answers and frequently they are flat out wrong. It's your health at stake and you have the right to prick the bubble of their pomposity if need be.

Good luck to all others in this boat.
 
Apologies for the long post here.
Allow me to share my 1st diabetes consultant experience with you.

I've been waiting to see a consultant since I was diagnosed in September last year and got a phone call offering me an appointment after someone cancelled.

Went in today.

If there are any HCPs reading this forum, please make sure you listen to what your patients are telling you. Don't make assumptions about their care. Don't arrogantly lecture them on what they need to do. These patients are not your property to order about. And for the love of ALL that is good in the world, never EVER attempt to show off in front of a trainee doctor. My pet peeve is being treated like an idiot or having my opinion casually dismissed in front of others. Right. Here we go...

The first thing I didn't appreciate was being told they were moving me to Libre 2 at some unspecified point in the near future and that because I "won't use a smartphone" that I would have to phone the manufacturer for a new device because the current device would stop working. Apparently I was going to find out that I been swapped, only when my one of my future prescription renewals arrived with a different device at which point my reader would stop working without notice. That isn't good enough. I asked them to keep me on Libre 1 which they did but they should have ASKED me what I wanted first. Now I'm a bit nervous about them forgetting and pushing it through anyway so I'll be sticking in my prescription renewals a week earlier to give me notice just in case.
I didn't appreciate comments where they assumed I am either "not techy" or "techphobic". I am neither. I used to write software for the first generation of mobile phones. I just want my phone to be a phone. Apparently that is considered "weird". To be honest I was probably being a bit touchy at this point.

Next. The consultant has brought up my Libreview data and has it in front of him. In a casual manner, he tells me that because my antibody tests are negative that I'm almost certainly type 2 and that he will be taking me off insulin. This is partly directed at the trainee doctor in the corner. At this point I'm trying not to panic. I now have to waste time explaining to him all the things which are on my medical record that he can see in front of him but which he has overlooked and I'm having to advocate for my own health when that is HIS job.

Here are the arguments I made against his diagnosis.
Firstly, my DN has diagnosed me. Metformin didn't work at all but a tiny amount of insulin immediately worked on my blood glucose levels (a little too well, hence the neuropathy).
Secondly, my GP (who is a diabetes specialist) has backed that diagnosis.
Thirdly, antibody tests are notoriously inaccurate in 50 year old people so should he be diagnosing from that?
Fourthly, I lost 5 stone in weight. Is that normal in Type 2?
Fifthly, there is no family history of Type 2 at all.
Sixthly, I have never been obese (I know this isn't diagnostic but it's one more factor against it being Type 2).
Seventhly, I had a virus I didn't recover from and this is suspected to be one potential cause of Type 1 in adults.
Finally, I am showing no signs of insulin resistance at all. In fact I am using very little insulin to effect quite dramatic corrections in blood glucose levels. My ratios are 1:10, I'd expect to be using more than that as a Type 2.

Only after listing those 8 factors, did he concede that it sounded like I was definitely Type 1 but I hammered home my point because he had riled the hell out of me and I told him I would not want to be taken off insulin regardless of diagnosis because it was clearly working.

We then moved to my Libreview data which shows me as 93% in range with occasional highs at breakfast and a few hypos. He asks about the hypos, my ratios (again - I've already told him just 2 minutes ago) etc. I tell him the hypos are almost always following a chocolate night where I've used 1:10 ratio of bolus rather than 1:20 (choccy is a bit funny with me and I need much less insulin) and I tend to mix it with cake because I'm a greedy ******* which can cause a bit of hit and miss with dosage. I tell him I need to tweak my bolus dosage and preferably stop pigging out so much on cake. He dismisses this off-hand and says "No." He calls over the trainee to show her the screen. "Your hypos are happening at 4am, more than 5 hours after your bolus. You have no bolus in your system at that point. Reduce your basal." My patience wears out at this point and I'm blunt to the point of being rude. I responded "No. I'm not doing that." He asks me why and I ask him to look at the screen, which he does. I ask him to look at the blood glucose peak preceeding the hypo trough and to tell me the duration between that peak and the onset of the hypo. He pauses for a moment and then suddenly he's a bit quieter. It's 2 hours. So I said "That peak is when I took my bolus and chocolate and the hypo is 2 hours afterwards. I need to tweak my bolus and NOT my basal". His sheepish response is "Oh. I assumed you'd had the chocolate and bolus at 10pm or 11pm". So he just ignored the 2am peak FFS.

Now I will admit to being a bit of a stroppy ******* sometimes and maybe I've over-reacted a bit but at least I got my point heard and accepted.

He then made a rambling speech about how he could do a C-peptide test but that it was pointless to do it before the 3 year mark because it would be unreliable and then within 2 minutes had changed his mind and had taken me through to the nurse to have blood taken to run that test anyway. Honestly, at this point I was just glad to get away.

What a day. I can only feel sorry for the many people out there who don't feel they can challenge a medical doctor and end up in trouble because of it.

When it comes to my health, give me a stroppy attitude any time.

Anyway, feeling better now despite the wasted 2 hours of my life that I won't get back. I got back in the car, came across all "Braveheart" and yelled "They can take away my time but they will NEVER take away my INSULIN!!!" I might have made the old lady in the next car jump a little. 🙂
This sounds so familiar it brings back some bad memories. I had a DKA when I was away staying with my son . I had a discharge letter confirming the levels . She didn’t bother to look at that just told me because of my age I was type 2 couldn’t have had DKA and it was just an instance of high sugar levels. Told me I didn’t take enough insulin to be type 1, no thought about honeymoon period . That she was going to take me off insulin. Luckily she ordered the relevant blood tests which then confirmed I was type 1 . She too had a student with her . When are they going to learn some manners
 
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