Covid pandemic linked to surge in child and teen diabetes

[Bubbleblower]

This is has no limk to covid (the data is from before the pandemic) and is for young adults not children

Does it need to have a link to COVID to proof OW and obesity cause type 1 diabetes?

Here is one for young children: Obesity, increased linear growth, and risk of type 1 diabetes in children

A 10% unit increment in relative weight was associated with a 50-60% increase in the risk of type 1 diabetes before 3 years of age and a 20-40% increase from 3 to 10 years of age. The increase in risk of type 1 diabetes for 1 SD score increment in relative height was 20-30%. Obesity (relative weight > 120%) after 3 years of age was associated with a more than twofold risk of developing type 1 diabetes.

The ‘accelerator hypothesis’ [29]
suggests that both type 1 and type 2 diabetes are caused by
insulin resistance set against various genetic backgrounds that
affect the rate of loss of beta cells and the disease phenotype.
According to this hypothesis, the increasing demand for insulin
renders the beta cells more antigenic, and thus accelerates
their loss through autoimmune injury.

That is my favorite part 🙂

 

[Bruce Stephens]

Does it need to have a link to COVID to proof OW and obesity cause type 1 diabetes?

I think that paper (and the one @Eddy Edson gave) are interesting but don't look quite right to explain the increase over the past couple of years. They're more suggesting that overweight children are more likely to be diagnosed with Type 1 which is interesting (and I didn't know that), but we want something that increases Type 1 over a fairly short period and I'm not sure an increase in weight over a couple of years is quite right. Maybe it is, but my money's still on the virus.

 

[Bubbleblower]

my money's still on the virus.

Mine is on several horses, the virus, the OW and obesity, the lack of exercise. If OW and obesity indeed play a role type 2 diabetes should have increased even more than type 1 diabetes. This is what the meta-analysis found:



At the bottom are 10 type 2 studies. I ignored Australia, because they have so few habitants per square mile I imagine a lockdown hardly effects them. All 8 remaining studies show a rise in type 2. To be able to compare them I calculated the results back to 24 months.

Prepandemic -adjusted to 24 months- there were 3449 cases of type 2 diabetes and during the pandemic 5641 cases, an increase of 64%! That puts things in another perspective.

 

[Tristan13]

This news backs up a theory I’ve had for some time, which is that T1D is a possible side effect of some of the Covid vaccines. I didn’t have diabetes before having the Moderna booster jab, which made me feel extremely ill. It was only once I had this vaccine that my blood sugars started rising, unbeknownst to me. I never expected to develop T1D, so shrugged off the weight loss until I was in hospital dying from DKA. We don’t have a family history of diabetes. I was a fit and healthy 23-year-old. I observed studies from the US and Japan suggesting the vaccines had made people lose glycaemic control, but when I tried to investigate further, people in this very forum dismissed my concerns (the post is still there, you can read it). We need to keep an eye on the further research. The time for a class action lawsuit may be approaching.

Unusual rise in child type 1 diabetes after Covid - BBC News

Experts have seen a 'substantial' yet unexplained rise in new cases worldwide since the pandemic.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Amity Island]

Some of the rise could be attributed to catch-up - from backlogs and delays when health services were shut - but does not explain all of the newly diagnosed cases, say scientists.​

Before the pandemic, the incidence rate of childhood type 1 diabetes was already increasing - by about 3% a year.​

The recent study found:​

• there was a 14% rise in the rate during the first year of the pandemic, compared to before Covid
• in the second year of Covid, the rate was up about 27% on pre-pandemic levels

Covid pandemic linked to surge in child and teen diabetes

Experts have seen a 'substantial' yet unexplained rise in new cases worldwide since the pandemic.

www.bbc.co.uk

In the Report it says this:

Showed a higher incidence "rate" during the first year of the pandemic compared with the prepandemic period (incidence rate ratio [IRR], 1.14; 95% CI, 1.08-1.21). There was an increased incidence "of diabetes" during months 13 to 24 of the pandemic compared with the prepandemic period (IRR, 1.27; 95% CI, 1.18-1.37).

To me this means that the "rate" (as in there was a sudden short rate of diagnosis, not so much overall numbers) of diagnosis in the first year 2020 (as you mentioned backlog) , but the actual incidence (actual overall numbers) of diabetes increased in the second year 2021.

@Bruce Stephens is this how you read this?

 

[Bubbleblower]

John Campbell is releasing an interview with the Author of the paper shortly if anybody is interested in more details.

He also made a video on this topic now, which he ruined by linking the surge to biological warfare.

This news backs up a theory I’ve had for some time, which is that T1D is a possible side effect of some of the Covid vaccines.

That too, it is no longer theory: Type 1 diabetes mellitus following SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination.


Meanwhile here are 2 studies that explain how the virus causes diabetes:
SARS-CoV-2 infection induces beta cell transdifferentiation
SARS-CoV-2 infects human pancreatic β cells and elicits β cell impairment

 

[Bruce Stephens]

To me this means that the "rate" (as in there was a sudden short rate of diagnosis, not so much overall numbers) of diagnosis in the first year 2020 (as you mentioned backlog) , but the actual incidence (actual overall numbers) of diabetes increased in the second year 2021.

@Bruce Stephens is this how you read this?

No, I think they mean the same in both cases. That is, more children were diagnosed than would be expected comparing with previous years. They go on to mention 10 studies on Type 2 diabetes and mention that those didn't address incidence rates so weren't included.

 

[Bruce Stephens]

According to this paper published a few months ago. It does appear that the number of reported adverse events depends largely upon the batch.

I've lost track of it now, but someone on twitter looked carefully at the batch numbers and used the expiry dates to work out roughly when each batch had been used. Turns out the adverse events vary with time, and given that Denmark vaccinated by vulnerability (mostly age), that's also a potential explanation for the finding.

(It's also a letter to the editor, not a paper.)

 

[Bruce Stephens]

She confirmed (to my surprise) it wasn't mainly the elderly as many would have believed.

Also to healthcare workers? But it was mostly to elderly and vulnerable people.

There's a chart here which seems rather persuasive to me:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1676974039636799488

(The woman is apparently well known in Denmark as an anti-vaccine campaigner.)

 

[Bruce Stephens]

Why does it matter whether they are old, young or vulnerable?

The point is that the vaccine batch is far from the only relevant factor. It's completely plausible that different groups of patients might report adverse reactions at different rates. To take an obvious example, it's much more likely that elderly patients might happen to die shortly after being vaccinated than younger ones.

Though it's also true that side effects are more normally reported by younger people than older. Even so, the correlation with time looks suspicious. Could be some difference in manufacturing causing a real difference in batches, I agree, but the patient groups also change over time so it doesn't feel compelling to me. (The manufacturers and regulators tried to keep manufacturing quality consistent across time, of course.)

 

[Robin]

I don't get the point they are trying to make here. Why does it matter whether they are old, young or vulnerable? Wasn't this the very group the vaccines were rolled out to protect?

People who are older or more vulnerable may have had more pronounced side effects, or felt them more, in which case it would be nothing to do with different batches.
Oh, @Bruce Stephens replied while I was typing.

 

[Bruce Stephens]

People who are older or more vulnerable may have had more pronounced side effects, or felt them more, in which case it would be nothing to do with different batches.

Though that feels true, it turns out to be the opposite of what seems to happen.

From https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...irus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting

The nature of reported suspected side effects is broadly similar across age groups, although, as was seen in clinical trials and as is usually seen with other vaccines, they may be reported more frequently in younger adults.​

Still, feels quite possible that the first groups would have been monitored more carefully, and perhaps reporting would reduce after people become aware of the kinds of reaction that the vaccines commonly produce.

 

[Robin]

Though that feels true, it turns out to be the opposite of what seems to happen.

From https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...irus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting

The nature of reported suspected side effects is broadly similar across age groups, although, as was seen in clinical trials and as is usually seen with other vaccines, they may be reported more frequently in younger adults.​

Still, feels quite possible that the first groups would have been monitored more carefully, and perhaps reporting would reduce after people become aware of the kinds of reaction that the vaccines commonly produce.

There must be a lot of factors that confound the collation of side effects. You have a difference between observed side effects, and reported side effects, for a start. Anecdotally, I know several older adults who were quite knocked sideways by the jabs, but soldiered on because they didn’t want to make a fuss. If they’d been in a nursing home, care staff might have noticed and reported it. Also, if I'd been told to expect a sore arm and a fever, for example, and I got a sore arm and a fever, it would never occur to me to report it, because I’d think, well, it was expected. I’d have only reported something I felt was unusual.

 

[trophywench]

I think it's exceptionally weird that we have not (yet) met anyone whatsoever, young or old, in our family or theirs (or their neighbours or anyone handyish) who has had a horrible side effect or, more to the point had to be hospitalised, bearing in mind I'm not only on this forum, also on a motor home forum, both trustees of a cancer charity and meet and mix with hundreds if not thousands of all sorts of different people here there and everywhere almost, all over both England and occasionally Wales. We're not the oldest, who is over 80, as are some friends, and our youngest is a great grandchild, only 3. All the kids mix with other kids, teachers, some attend religious services, their parents have to mix with other parents, etc etc.

 

[Bruce Stephens]

I think it's exceptionally weird that we have not (yet) met anyone whatsoever, young or old, in our family or theirs (or their neighbours or anyone handyish) who has had a horrible side effect or, more to the point had to be hospitalised, bearing in mind I'm not only on this forum, also on a motor home forum, both trustees of a cancer charity and meet and mix with hundreds if not thousands of all sorts of different people here there and everywhere almost, all over both England and occasionally Wales. We're not the oldest, who is over 80, as are some friends, and our youngest is a great grandchild, only 3. All the kids mix with other kids, teachers, some attend religious services, their parents have to mix with other parents, etc etc.

Me neither. My main hobby is social tango (which isn't much of a young person's hobby) and while virtually all are vaccinated (and were vaccinated pretty early) I've not heard of any side effects beyond the usual short term ones.

Indeed, AVPS (Anti Vaxxer Proximity Syndrome) is a bit of a meme (which many reported deaths, sometimes of the same person multiple times):

https://twitter.com/x/status/1675671579706163200

 

[Satan’s little helper]

My feelings on it are reduced vitamin D3, from reduced outdoor activity (sun exposure) from Lockdowns and the relentless fear campaigns. Probably the best thing one can do to prevent type 1 is a decent dose of vitamin D3. The further one lives from the equator, the higher the incidence of type 1 diabetes.

Hello, do you have any statistics on this?
I happen to know I was bitten by the “bug” whilst playing outside as a child during a long hot sunny spell. In fact I got “sunstroke.” But that’s just my story. (But I don’t blame that on the “boogie.”)

 

[Satan’s little helper]

Me neither. My main hobby is social tango (which isn't much of a young person's hobby) and while virtually all are vaccinated (and were vaccinated pretty early) I've not heard of any side effects beyond the usual short term ones.

Indeed, AVPS (Anti Vaxxer Proximity Syndrome) is a bit of a meme (which many reported deaths, sometimes of the same person multiple times):

https://twitter.com/x/status/1675671579706163200

Let’s not forget pets too. 😉

 

[Bubbleblower]

There is a breakdown of the lines on the graph here. The yellow batches were nearly all untested.

The first vaccines were given to nursing home residents (42,455).
Then to persons aged 65 and older who receive practical help and personal care (59,977).
Then to persons aged 85 and older who do not live in nursing homes or receive personal care (98,449).

That is 200.881 of the most vulnerable people that can no longer be in the green or yellow batches!

Then the vaccines were given to social and health workers (405,664), but the Paul Ehrlich Institute analysed only 10 blue batches consisting of 462.150 vaccines, so that doesn't add up, there are only 261,269 blue vaccines left after the vulnerable people got their vaccines.

 

[Amity Island]

Hello, do you have any statistics on this?
I happen to know I was bitten by the “bug” whilst playing outside as a child during a long hot sunny spell. In fact I got “sunstroke.” But that’s just my story. (But I don’t blame that on the “boogie.”)

It's only my opinion based on things i've read. If I have anything to share, like a peer reviewed study or paper etc I'd share it when I post. Try Googling "vit D prevents diabetes".

Here's a few I just found.

Low vitamin D levels may increase risk of type 1 diabetes

For immediate release: February 3, 2013 Boston, MA – Having adequate levels of vitamin D during young adulthood may reduce the risk of adult-onset type 1 diabetes by as much as 50%, according to re…

www.hsph.harvard.edu

Vitamin D & Insulin Resistance | ADA

Many studies have looked at the role of vitamin D in diabetes and have shown an association between low levels of vitamin D and increased risk for type 2 diabetes and its complications.

diabetes.org

High-dose vitamin D may prevent pre-diabetes becoming type 2 diabetes

An analysis of three trials found that taking a high dose of vitamin D prevents high blood sugar levels from progressing into type 2 diabetes. But this dose has been linked with kidney stones and other health issues

www.newscientist.com

 

[Satan’s little helper]

It's only my opinion based on things i've read. If I have anything to share, like a peer reviewed study or paper etc I'd share it when I post. Try Googling "vit D prevents diabetes".

Here's a few I just found.

Low vitamin D levels may increase risk of type 1 diabetes

For immediate release: February 3, 2013 Boston, MA – Having adequate levels of vitamin D during young adulthood may reduce the risk of adult-onset type 1 diabetes by as much as 50%, according to re…

www.hsph.harvard.edu

Vitamin D & Insulin Resistance | ADA

Many studies have looked at the role of vitamin D in diabetes and have shown an association between low levels of vitamin D and increased risk for type 2 diabetes and its complications.

diabetes.org

High-dose vitamin D may prevent pre-diabetes becoming type 2 diabetes

An analysis of three trials found that taking a high dose of vitamin D prevents high blood sugar levels from progressing into type 2 diabetes. But this dose has been linked with kidney stones and other health issues

www.newscientist.com

Thanks. But it’s all “supposition” isn’t it?
Like me suggesting, “using Lynx deodorant prevents me from attacks by wild monkeys.?”
Someone will Google “deodorant as PPE” and probably read this.