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I wanted to continue along the lines of being honest,I am like many others on meds for depression etc etc and its a horrible condition, i have in the past had many thoughts but luckily they have only been that,Now I agree with Shirl and others about the selfish comment you should walk a mile in some one elses shoes before you judge BUT i have said in the past that anyone who takes there own life who has kids(small baby/toddler is selfish especially if the child is a small one....that is MY opinion so please dont get on your high horse and start bellowing at me,cause yes that may make me hypercritical but ive never ever nor EVER will put my son through the horror of suicide.....My thought are my thoughts and the only person I bore with them or my GP that is something that will remain...Any one who has never suffered depression will more then likely be he one saying its selfish etc etc
 
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Although slightly out of focus with this thread - some of you may recall I said I was feeling very down a way back ? Well my Dr recommended Cognative Behaviour therapy (because I said I didn't want anti-depressants etc). I had a letter saying the therapist would ring me for assessment. The telephone call was put off twice and then I had an half-hour 'phone chat with this lady. I said I needed to see someone at our own surgery (for various reasons which I gave to her). She said there was about a 6 week waiting list - I said OK.

Nine weeks later I got a letter giving me an appointment at a surgery about 20 miles away - in a fortnight from now. I replied by email on Monday of this week saying I couldn't get there as I don't drive, I didn't want to involve anyone else in taking me (for obvious reasons), and the local bus is very erratic. I have heard nothing and shan't bother anymore.

Sorry for this post but I feel hurt that she couldn't be bothered to see it from my point of view - and all for what she said would be just 30 minutes of her time. If this is how people who are mildly depressed get help, God help the ones who really need it immediately.:(
 
Although slightly out of focus with this thread - some of you may recall I said I was feeling very down a way back ? Well my Dr recommended Cognative Behaviour therapy (because I said I didn't want anti-depressants etc). I had a letter saying the therapist would ring me for assessment. The telephone call was put off twice and then I had an half-hour 'phone chat with this lady. I said I needed to see someone at our own surgery (for various reasons which I gave to her). She said there was about a 6 week waiting list - I said OK.

Nine weeks later I got a letter giving me an appointment at a surgery about 20 miles away - in a fortnight from now. I replied by email on Monday of this week saying I couldn't get there as I don't drive, I didn't want to involve anyone else in taking me (for obvious reasons), and the local bus is very erratic. I have heard nothing and shan't bother anymore.

Sorry for this post but I feel hurt that she couldn't be bothered to see it from my point of view - and all for what she said would be just 30 minutes of her time. If this is how people who are mildly depressed get help, God help the ones who really need it immediately.:(

Faith I am so sorry to hear this has happened, and people wonder why we feel so alone at times.This is why people with depression are so reluctant to seek help, cause when they try they get it thrown back in there faces.I wish I could visit you for 10 minutes I would have you laughing your head off within minutes LOL xx

Laughter sometimes is the best medicine
 
Oh Faith I am so sorry that this has been your experience, but sadly you are not alone with this reaction. As said before unfortunately Mental Health is very much the Cinderella part of the Health Service. If at any time you want to chat please, PM me.

Take care,

Shirl
 
Thank you both - in fact this may have been the kick up the bum that I needed to say s*d it and get on with my life - I've not let it really knock me down for long before but this time I really did need someone professional and outside my family to talk to and - unlike you lot - they weren't "there for me " to use that awful American saying !

Cheers all - I'm OK really, honest - just needed to rant. 😱
 
Would it be fair to say that someone who is depressed is in self-centred bubble ?

All negative of course. ie. not worthy of love or respect. Everything they do is useless. Everything that happens to them is bad. And perhaps worst of all, there's nothing they can do to change things.

So suicide, although it may be seen as selfish to outsiders, wouldn't be from within. No-one would miss them. They'll all be better off without them around, etc. Which is obviously completely irrational but the sufferer just sees it as their only available option.

So rationally, it can be selfish. But in the irrational bubble of depression, it makes perfect sense.

I hope I haven't said anythign out of turn but just wanted to try and tie the 2 points of view together.

And I know from experience that NHS MH services are one of the most unerfunded areas and certainly fail an awful lot of people who are unable to help themselves.

Rob
 
Robster, beautifully put.

A zillion years years ago, I had a complete breakdown and suicide was very much in my thoughts. The main thing that kept going through my mind, was as a much loved only child, my act would destroy my parents.

Much therapy, lots of pills helped - but I am still prone to bouts of depression, some 30 years on.

The difference now is I can recognise the warning signs, and I know better how to deal with them.

Poor Gary Speed, whatever troubled him, saw no way out bless him
 
Only speaking personally and not wanting to say it's true for everyone who's depressed I would say you've got it completely right, Rob.
 
My point of view, from some one who has lost two close friends to suicide, and has also seriously contemplated it aswell (did get crisis team help at the time) I can see how people who have not had the misfortune to suffer deep depression, for whatever reason), can see it as selfish, but I can also see the side where it is actually self less. Let me explain, may ramble a bit as my thought come together.

To an outsider looking in suicide seems like a cowards way out that gives little or no thought to the consequences to your loved ones, the impact this will have on their future lives and their mental well being, almost like you are only thinking of yourself and no-one else. This is not usually the case, many suicides are accompanied by a letter explaining what set the action off, they generally end in one phrase "I'm Sorry" showing that there is at least some thought of the repercussions, though the cause of the problems is (rightly or wrongly) more demanding of the sufferer's thoughts and any after event problems tend not to occur to them until it is too late, if at all. I have lost a friend who hid his depression so well that no-one, not even those closest to him knew what was going on, in that instance his family really suffered, and still are over 2 years latter, but he left a note that explained what he was thinking and why he had done what he did. The other friend I lost was being persecuted by his own family, accusing him of mollesting his own children, he had no support from the MH people and jumped into the local river, no note was left and for four months people thought he'd left the country, when his body was found the entire town was shocked, but those that knew him could understand his reasoning.
Myself, I have been depressed much of my Adult life, though the doctors' only diagnosed it two years ago, the day before I lost a VERY close friend to cancer, I had been really bad during the summer, ever since nearly losing my job in May of that year, harbouring very dark thoughts that, at the time, I honestly wanted to end by slitting my wrists. I came very close with the only thing stopping me from doing it, the fact that I knew how painful it would be and that I did not want to die in pain. I knew that my family would feel really bad, that they would blame themselves, but still what I wanted to do was take my own life. It got to the point during the October (when on Holiday for 2 weeks) that I'd gone to the pub one night and was walking the 2 miles back to my accomodation, I sat down on a wall and broke down, I didn't want to go back home, I wanted to stay where I was happy (Wales) and feel comfortable. Two weeks latter (back home) I called into my GPs and asked to see my GP urgently, She wasn't available but another one was, so I saw her explained what was going through my mind including the suicidal thoughts, and she phoned the local crisis team, who phoned me not long after I got home and saw me the next afternoon. I had two months of therapy before it got cancelled by the MH people, it helped a bit but has put me off seeking further help as I feel that I still wouldn't get the help I need.

Sorry for the length of my post, I was typing as I thought, so it is my rambling thought process that you see above. I'm currently in a slightly better state of mind, but still get some dark thoughts, not as dark as before but still enough to make me pause for a bit.
 
Gosh that must have taken some courage to type your thoughts on this topic. I can only say thank you for being so very honest and opening up on here.

Wishing you brighter days in the future.
 
My point of view, from some one who has lost two close friends to suicide, and has also seriously contemplated it aswell (did get crisis team help at the time) I can see how people who have not had the misfortune to suffer deep depression, for whatever reason), can see it as selfish, but I can also see the side where it is actually self less. Let me explain, may ramble a bit as my thought come together.

To an outsider looking in suicide seems like a cowards way out that gives little or no thought to the consequences to your loved ones, the impact this will have on their future lives and their mental well being, almost like you are only thinking of yourself and no-one else. This is not usually the case, many suicides are accompanied by a letter explaining what set the action off, they generally end in one phrase "I'm Sorry" showing that there is at least some thought of the repercussions, though the cause of the problems is (rightly or wrongly) more demanding of the sufferer's thoughts and any after event problems tend not to occur to them until it is too late, if at all. I have lost a friend who hid his depression so well that no-one, not even those closest to him knew what was going on, in that instance his family really suffered, and still are over 2 years latter, but he left a note that explained what he was thinking and why he had done what he did. The other friend I lost was being persecuted by his own family, accusing him of mollesting his own children, he had no support from the MH people and jumped into the local river, no note was left and for four months people thought he'd left the country, when his body was found the entire town was shocked, but those that knew him could understand his reasoning.
Myself, I have been depressed much of my Adult life, though the doctors' only diagnosed it two years ago, the day before I lost a VERY close friend to cancer, I had been really bad during the summer, ever since nearly losing my job in May of that year, harbouring very dark thoughts that, at the time, I honestly wanted to end by slitting my wrists. I came very close with the only thing stopping me from doing it, the fact that I knew how painful it would be and that I did not want to die in pain. I knew that my family would feel really bad, that they would blame themselves, but still what I wanted to do was take my own life. It got to the point during the October (when on Holiday for 2 weeks) that I'd gone to the pub one night and was walking the 2 miles back to my accomodation, I sat down on a wall and broke down, I didn't want to go back home, I wanted to stay where I was happy (Wales) and feel comfortable. Two weeks latter (back home) I called into my GPs and asked to see my GP urgently, She wasn't available but another one was, so I saw her explained what was going through my mind including the suicidal thoughts, and she phoned the local crisis team, who phoned me not long after I got home and saw me the next afternoon. I had two months of therapy before it got cancelled by the MH people, it helped a bit but has put me off seeking further help as I feel that I still wouldn't get the help I need.

Sorry for the length of my post, I was typing as I thought, so it is my rambling thought process that you see above. I'm currently in a slightly better state of mind, but still get some dark thoughts, not as dark as before but still enough to make me pause for a bit.

Garthion once again thank you so much for sharing your deepest darkest feelings/thoughts with us mate x respect and much love to you
 
As the old BT saying went, it's good to talk 😉

You can saymore online than you can to a person as it is less personal, well that's how I feel anyway.
 
As the old BT saying went, it's good to talk 😉

You can saymore online than you can to a person as it is less personal, well that's how I feel anyway.

Oh absolutly 100% agree Garth.I have spilt my guts far more on here then I ever have any where else x
 
As the old BT saying went, it's good to talk 😉

You can saymore online than you can to a person as it is less personal, well that's how I feel anyway.

One of the aims of CBT and other 'talking' therapies is to get your thoughts and feelings out so that for one, they're not rattling round inside your head amplifying and also so that you can start to question them once you write them down or bounce them off someone else. Challenging the irrational and replacing them with rational is meant to reduce the amount of dark and self-destructive thoughts. But obviously easy to say. Very hard to acheive.🙄

Rob
 
I have had depression for quite a long time, saw a renal psychologist who was brilliant I was also with a psychiatrist for a year or so. I eventually trusted her enough to tell her everything, I am on low grade meds. now.

To the point:-
I moved & no longer have access to a phycologist, all the consultant seemed to be interest in was how soon he could get me off the meds. I am hoping I will be strong enough to fight this move if it comes.
 
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