Butter nonsense: the rise of the cholesterol deniers

[Deleted member 21371]

Always used Lurpak & been T1 for over 52 years. Keep fit & active. Eat mountains of seafood 😎

I find fit and active is key for me.
I also use Lurpak.
Well, when I say use, I dont have marg or anything, but a block of butter will last me about six months, so I figure it's not going to affect me a lot if I splash out on unprocessed food there!

 

[Andy HB]

Should not laugh, lol. But Koresh and his pals, they all went to heaven.

Strange that the rest of the world continued, though, eh? 🙂

 

[Andy HB]

Indeed, I miss out on the get fit, stay fit, and get loads of exercise, and I certainly wouldn’t join a religious group, I’m a rational scientist. I do know how to relax, mind, and how to stay married. Consultations free🙂

But, can't you only consult on how to stay married to your wife? 🙂

 

[mikeyB]

But, can't you only consult on how to stay married to your wife? 🙂

True, of course, but folk have made millions turning personal experience into books with dubious advice. Thought I might join in🙂

 

[Deleted member 21371]

True, of course, but folk have made millions turning personal experience into books with dubious advice. Thought I might join in🙂

You dont need the personal experience. Just write a book telling people what they want to hear, add a few cherry picked graphs and some pseudo science, then rewrite it occasionally when you need a few more quid. Job done.

 

[Deleted member 21371]

A 'good' artist needs to make one good piece of art that they can recreate, alter and milk for the rest of their career. A 'great' artist needs to make two good pieces of art...
This is the world we live in.

I agree.

But I prefer to base my healthcare in fact, rather than art.

Art may be nice, and give some a warm fuzzy feeling, and may be constructed by a great artist, and may have a clique of supporting critics to sell it as the next must have, and tell you if you can't see the beauty, somehow you are missing the ability they have.
And I know a dead sheep pickled in formaldehyde may be the best art ever to some, but some us see a dead sheep.

 

[Martin Canty]

For me it's creating a balance in our diet, cutting down/out refined foods, making food from scratch using quality ingredients, using quality fats (but in sensible quantities), increasing consumption of green leafy vegetables, trying to address the ratios of Omega 3 to Omega 6 fatty acids & in all being sensible about my diet... I found a balance that works for me & I'll be sticking with it...

As for so called "Heart Healthy" options; I did a quick look to see how Corn Oil is produced

"Production. Almost all corn oil is expeller-pressed, then solvent-extracted using hexane or 2-methylpentane (isohexane). The solvent is evaporated from the corn oil, recovered, and re-used. After extraction, the corn oil is then refined by degumming and/or alkali treatment, both of which remove phosphatides"

Sounds quite yummy!!! I think I'll be sticking to my Extra Virgin & animal sourced fats.

 

[Deleted member 21371]

For me it's creating a balance in our diet, cutting down/out refined foods, making food from scratch using quality ingredients, using quality fats (but in sensible quantities), increasing consumption of green leafy vegetables, trying to address the ratios of Omega 3 to Omega 6 fatty acids & in all being sensible about my diet... I found a balance that works for me & I'll be sticking with it...

As for so called "Heart Healthy" options; I did a quick look to see how Corn Oil is produced

"Production. Almost all corn oil is expeller-pressed, then solvent-extracted using hexane or 2-methylpentane (isohexane). The solvent is evaporated from the corn oil, recovered, and re-used. After extraction, the corn oil is then refined by degumming and/or alkali treatment, both of which remove phosphatides"

Sounds quite yummy!!! I think I'll be sticking to my Extra Virgin & animal sourced fats.

Very true.
(Makes me laugh well you see the 99p jar of basic coconut oil from B&M being touted as a good buy, I wouldn't even feed it to pigs, the way that is made)

 

[mikeyB]

Apart from anything else, coconut oil is filled with saturated fats, which are distinctly unhealthy.

And corn oil rapidly deteriorates with heating and reheating into saturated fat and trans fats, apart from being dubiously extracted by chemical washout. Cheap sunflower oil is also extracted with hexane. The sunflower oil used by crisp makers and some chippies is further chemically tuned to tolerate persistent high temperatures.

I only use olive oil (not extra virgin) or rapeseed oil, both of which tolerate heating well, and are simply extracted.

 

[Deleted member 21371]

I'm like Popeye, quite fond of olive oil. Though I am not too sure about spinach.

I like coconut oil, at room temperature it's solid, that feature comes in handy in several of my recipes.

The virgin cold pressed coconut oil at £15+ a pop from somewhere like Holland and Barrett may be edible, (not for me personally, as it's saturated fat), but the cheap chemically recovered and bleached stuff looks like it wouldn't even make pig swill.

 

[mikeyB]

Aye, if you want a solid fat for your hot pastry crust use Lard. It contains less saturated fat than coconut oil and butter, has no trans fats, and has the advantage of not making your game pie taste vaguely of coconut.

Plus, of course, it doesn’t need chemical extraction. And it’s cheap.

 

[Martin Canty]

if you want a solid fat for your hot pastry crust use Lard

Invokes memories of my Grandmothers baking, Lard & Butter were a staple🙂

 

[Robin]

Invokes memories of my Grandmothers baking, Lard & Butter were a staple🙂

That makes me feel very old! I use a mix of lard and butter in my pastry because I like the result, my mother used all lard, I suspect because lard was cheap and butter wasn’t. Still tasted good, though.

 

[Deleted member 21371]

Lard

Nowadays it involves chemical extraction and bleaching the final product.

So it's not quite as idealistic as it used to be.

Saturated fat is a very nice niche market earner.

 

[mikeyB]

Lard is never chemically extracted. Why use chemicals to extract it when wet or dry heat will do the job more cheaply and efficiently?

Admittedly, some preservatives are added to extend shelf life (pure lard must be refrigerated to prevent rancidity), as in many dairy products, and bleaching agents to get consistency of colour, which are again commonly used in all kinds of food. You can, of course, make it at home should you wish.

Nonetheless, it still contains less saturated fat then either butter or coconut oil, and far fewer unnatural ingredients than your average low fat spread. Or a Burgen loaf, come to think.

Ever read the ingredients on the side of your toothpaste tube or mouthwash?

 

[Hamrag]

I can't find where I read it now - I read in the last few days a report that 50 percent of the people recorded as dying from heart attacks had below average cholesterol levels.
The truth is out there - somewhere - I just seem to have mislaid the coordinated.

I also read somewhere!! that Men over the age of 60 with higher than the so called desirable Cholesterol level of around 4.2 Live Longer! However as with all Research findings, I take them with a pinch of salt ! (or maybe not ) Prefer to look at the mounting anecdotal evidence reported both good and bad for whatever approach used to manage health outcomes.

 

[Hamrag]

Lard is never chemically extracted. Why use chemicals to extract it when wet or dry heat will do the job more cheaply and efficiently?

Admittedly, some preservatives are added to extend shelf life (pure lard must be refrigerated to prevent rancidity), as in many dairy products, and bleaching agents to get consistency of colour, which are again commonly used in all kinds of food. You can, of course, make it at home should you wish.

Nonetheless, it still contains less saturated fat then either butter or coconut oil, and far fewer unnatural ingredients than your average low fat spread. Or a Burgen loaf, come to think.

Ever read the ingredients on the side of your toothpaste tube or mouthwash?

All things in moderation! choose cold pressed virgin oils, Olive, and Avocado. Butter, and Lard. Avoid Chemically extracted oils, Low fat spreads, and Margarine. Also its not the Eggs, Milk and Lard in Yorkshire puddings (Sat Fats) its the refined Flour that's the problem! Breast Milk I believe has 20% Sat Fat ! don't think Mother Nature got it wrong!

 

[Hamrag]

As a diabetic I try to adapt my diet to my health requirements. The Dr asks me to achieve a lower hba1c, a test every 6 months measures my progress. Once a year I get diabetic mot which checks Kidney, liver, lipid and glucose. So I can follow the results of my own experiments with food. I can confirm that switching from margarine to butter increased my hdl cholesterol and improved my ratio. Swapping carbs for LCHF (so loads of butter, nuts, olives, oily fish, double cream and cheese) has lowered trigs and maintained a good cholesterol ratio and more importantly helped reduce my hba1c.
You can do your own experiments and share the results from your yearly blood work.

I am diabetic and carbs really are my enemy.

Just had my annual MOT my Hba1c 39, My Lipid profile good LDL/ HDL Ratio excellent. My Cholesterol 5.2. Eat Butter, cold pressed virgin olive oil and Avocados and the oil Daily. Lard occasionally and Coconut oil Occasionally, Oily Fish 2-3 times a week, Bacon Sausage,and Fatty Lamb, and Pork. Avoid Milk (too much sugar)

 

[Deleted member 21371]

I also read somewhere!! that Men over the age of 60 with higher than the so called desirable Cholesterol level of around 4.2 Live Longer! However as with all Research findings, I take them with a pinch of salt ! (or maybe not ) Prefer to look at the mounting anecdotal evidence reported both good and bad for whatever approach used to manage health outcomes.

That's in the weird alternate guru universe unfortunately.
The favourite quote includes "all causes" so yes, if you starve to death, you have low cholesterol, because you don't eat.
First world deaths only, high cholesterol kills you, so I'm going for that sweet spot in the middle.

 

[Deleted member 21371]

Just had my annual MOT my Hba1c 39, My Lipid profile good LDL/ HDL Ratio excellent. My Cholesterol 5.2. Eat Butter, cold pressed virgin olive oil and Avocados and the oil Daily. Lard occasionally and Coconut oil Occasionally, Oily Fish 2-3 times a week, Bacon Sausage,and Fatty Lamb, and Pork. Avoid Milk (too much sugar)

Looks good.
I don't believe in the ratio though.
Too much nonsense with it now.
I only look at the actual numbers.