Brown Bread

[lordburnside]

Hi,

I had a strenuous weekend erecting a trellis in my garden so I treated myself to two pieces of toast at breakfast.
One went under a two egg scrambled egg and the other had butter on it plus the tiniest smear of jam. If you remember the size of mini jar you used to get in hotels well that would last 5 days based on what I put on my toast this morning! The bread was brown wholemeal and I think it has less sugar in than most but I need to check that! BG shot up to 12.5mol/. I have had this breakfast before with only one slice of toast and BG hot 9.9! Seems to me that I need to stop eating bread or maybe butter some cardboard! After two hours it was 8.5 and now at 9.27am (3hours) 6.6.

 

[Eddy Edson]

Hi,

I had a strenuous weekend erecting a trellis in my garden so I treated myself to two pieces of toast at breakfast.
One went under a two egg scrambled egg and the other had butter on it plus the tiniest smear of jam. If you remember the size of mini jar you used to get in hotels well that would last 5 days based on what I put on my toast this morning! The bread was brown wholemeal and I think it has less sugar in than most but I need to check that! BG shot up to 12.5mol/. I have had this breakfast before with only one slice of toast and BG hot 9.9! Seems to me that I need to stop eating bread or maybe butter some cardboard! After two hours it was 8.5 and now at 9.27am (3hours) 6.6.

The 12.5 mmol/l is a bit high, but it's *way* more important that your 2 and 3 hour levels were OK. Short term "spikes" are pretty meaningless.

 

[Docb]

Agree with @Eddy Edson. My only real straying into "avoidable carb" territory is a small slice of toasted home made seeded bread with butter and home made jam or marmalade at breakfast. That can put me up to 12 within an hour or so on occasions although it drops again reasonably quickly and I do not worry too much about it.

PS...I would not get into the habit of a carby treat as a reward for physical exercise. It could set you on the road to perdition. Bath in the glory and the smugness arising from a job well done and leave it at that is my suggestion!🙂

 

[lordburnside]

Thanks for that. I am 6.5 mmols/l at the moment. I am just trying to get my head around what levels a man aged 68 should be in.
I am guessing I need to average under 6.5 mmols per l. 6.7 mmols/l is 120 mmols/dl
The measurements are confusing. I need to be within 70 and 180 mg/dl which is 3.8 - 10mmols/l?
My CGM device is in mmols/l but my doctor gives gave me a reading of 55 mmols/mol which I think is 8.9mmols/l which would be 179?
Now totally confused,

 

[lordburnside]

Thanks for that.

 

[Leadinglights]

Thanks for that. I am 6.5 mmols/l at the moment. I am just trying to get my head around what levels a man aged 68 should be in.
I am guessing I need to average under 6.5 mmols per l. 6.7 mmols/l is 120 mmols/dl
The measurements are confusing. I need to be within 70 and 180 mg/dl which is 3.8 - 10mmols/l?
My CGM device is in mmols/l but my doctor gives gave me a reading of 55 mmols/mol which I think is 8.9mmols/l which would be 179?
Now totally confused,

You are confusing yourself by looking at to many different units for your measurements.
Put the HbA1C result to one side noting that it is in mmol/mol until you have your next test.
Concentrate on your blood glucose reading from your monitor in mmol/l, ignore mg/dl we do not use that in the UK. Aim at 4-7mmol/l before meals and fasting/ morning and no more than 8-8.5mmol/l 2 hours post meal.
I don't really thing age comes into it as there is enough leeway there.

 

[Drummer]

I found that being under 8mmol/l after meals was where things began to turn around, as I stuck to the same meals and saw my 2 hour test numbers gradually sink down.
There is very little of nutritional value in bread though.
I'd advise having as many eggs as you like, scrambled is good, with butter, then some grated cheese added just at the end of cooking. I then remove the pan from the heat, put a finely sliced tomato on top, and cover with a plate as I move to the table picking up cutlery on the way. The tomato is just warmed, I slide the whole lot onto the plate and eat. Some people add a chopped spring onion or slice of ordinary onion for extra zing. Put the pan on a heat proof tile if you have a polished table.

 

[lordburnside]

Bread is a difficult food to give up especially toast as it has a nice crunch!
I think I am more sensitive to sugar on a morning but according to an expert your ability to cope with sugar is better early in the day.

 

[rebrascora]

Bread is a difficult food to give up especially toast as it has a nice crunch!
I think I am more sensitive to sugar on a morning but according to an expert your ability to cope with sugar is better early in the day.

I would be wary of that "expert". Most of us find that we are more insulin resistant on a morning which means we need more insulin for the carbs we eat and it takes longer to work than at other times of day, so generally most of us don't cope so well with sugar or other carbs on a morning compared to any other time of day.

 

[Drummer]

Bread is a difficult food to give up especially toast as it has a nice crunch!
I think I am more sensitive to sugar on a morning but according to an expert your ability to cope with sugar is better early in the day.

Oh dear - total tosh. Many people are more insulin resistant in the mornings, I eat 1/4 on my daily intake of carbs in the mornings, the rest at night - I only eat twice a day.
I'd rather give up bread than face the consequences of high blood glucose, having seen them for myself.

 

[Speedbird]

My experiments with bread have shown I can tolerate one slice of Warburton's low sugar wholemeal from a 800g loaf or two slices of seeded bread from my local artisan baker without any noticeable rise in BG; anything above that is out of the ballpark.

I would be inclined to concentrate on portion size before completely ruling out bread. Trial and error seems to be the way forward with T2D.

 

[lordburnside]

My experiments with bread have shown I can tolerate one slice of Warburton's low sugar wholemeal from a 800g loaf or two slices of seeded bread from my local artisan baker without any noticeable rise in BG; anything above that is out of the ballpark.

I would be inclined to concentrate on portion size before completely ruling out bread. Trial and error seems to be the way forward with T2D.

Thanks for your reply. I will give Warburtons a go next time.

Oh dear - total tosh. Many people are more insulin resistant in the mornings, I eat 1/4 on my daily intake of carbs in the mornings, the rest at night - I only eat twice a day.
I'd rather give up bread than face the consequences of high blood glucose, having seen them for myself.

Thanks for your reply. Looks like I will have to have a smaller breakfast without bread and eat more at 5 then walk it off on my daily walk (weather permitting).

 

[Martin.A]

My experiments with bread have shown I can tolerate one slice of Warburton's low sugar wholemeal from a 800g loaf or two slices of seeded bread from my local artisan baker without any noticeable rise in BG; anything above that is out of the ballpark.

I would be inclined to concentrate on portion size before completely ruling out bread. Trial and error seems to be the way forward with T2D.

I started to use my wife's GF bread a while back as it is lower carb than normal bread. Two slices for a sandwich works out at 20g carb or thereabouts, whereas two slices of regular bread can easily be not far off twice that. The one she buys is Warburtons Seeded. It's feels less dense than normal bread so if I'm making a sandwich I always lightly toast the slices beforehand.

 

[lordburnside]

Thanks for the info.

 

[Leadinglights]

Thanks for the info.

A filling breakfast is full fat Greek yoghurt with some berries and about 20g of a low sugar/keto granola or All Bran which also gives you some fibre.

 

[Martin.A]

A filling breakfast is full fat Greek yoghurt with some berries and about 20g of a low sugar/keto granola

I'll second that, though for me it's a single Weetabix or, if I do overnight oats, 20g of Sainsbury's Organic Oats.

 

[lordburnside]

Today I decided to have porridge (possibly too bigger portion) because I had milk left! Followed by a slice of brown wholegrain bread and the tiniest smear of jam. Managed 13.6 on the Richter scale and has struggled to get down to 8.8 after 2 hours. Its now 7 which is slightly high for me. Looks like its Weetabix for breakfast for me in future and I will try Warburtons GF bread. Breakfast is difficult because you don't want anything time consuming and I like toast and eggs.
Maybe if I didnt work I might find other things to improve my breakfast.

 

[Leadinglights]

Today I decided to have porridge (possibly too bigger portion) because I had milk left! Followed by a slice of brown wholegrain bread and the tiniest smear of jam. Managed 13.6 on the Richter scale and has struggled to get down to 8.8 after 2 hours. Its now 7 which is slightly high for me. Looks like its Weetabix for breakfast for me in future and I will try Warburtons GF bread. Breakfast is difficult because you don't want anything time consuming and I like toast and eggs.
Maybe if I didnt work I might find other things to improve my breakfast.

You added insult to injury by having high carb oats and high carb bread. One or the other might have been OK.
Scrambled egg, not particularly time consuming, yoghurt and berries easy and quick, cheese and ham quick.

 

[lordburnside]

I can eat all of those and would enjoy them but I like toast too. Do I have to give that up? I will try the gluten free bread I think and hope it tastes OK! Or maybe Hovis Nimble?

 

[Speedbird]

I can eat all of those and would enjoy them but I like toast too. Do I have to give that up? I will try the gluten free bread I think and hope it tastes OK! Or maybe Hovis Nimble?

Unless you need to avoid gluten, GF bread won't help to reduce your BG.