breakfasts

[Marmite]

I am still amazed that after a lifetime avoiding fried , but keeping to cereals, it seems - after reading all your replies -I have to change. Bacon, sausage have bad fats so I will be trying to correct the prediabetes but going back to chloestrol problems. Some choice!!. I have copied the cereals listed on this site and apart from All bran, ready brek, wholegrain wheatflakes , which are all low, the remainder are all very similar after deducting the fibre from the serving carbs so am considering making my own. I am also finding different sites giving conflicting information which dosn't help.
Is sourdough worth replacing from my seeded breads?

 

[Kaylz]

Why are you deducting fibre? UK labels already have it listed separately so there is no fibre to deduct from the carbohydrate values already listed, ALL cereals are high carb and difficult for diabetics to tolerate no matter what the fibre content is xx

 

[HenryBennett]

Carbs in sourdough and seeded wholemeal, and my BG readings, are pretty much the same.

 

[Marmite]

Well I must have seen it somewhere !
So this is definately incorrect then? One shredded wheat from now I guess.
Looking at various advice and recommended max carbs per day I consume an average of 120 . Is this about normal? and do we take into account our exercise quota? Thank you for advising.

 

[SB2015]

Hi @Marmite i choose to make my own cereal. I use Quinoa flakes along with desiccated coconut, various nuts and seeds, and coconut oil. Four heaped tablespoons five me 11g of carbs, a lot lower than any of the cereals I have looked at. Add in my yogurt, and half an apple and I hit 20g of carbs.
Very happy with that, especially as it hardly makes me spike at all, and it tastes great.

We all react differently to different foods, and what suits one will spike another. We all have to find what works for us, and I know sometimes it can appear like conflicting advice. Just find what your pancreas can cope with.

 

[SB2015]

Well I must have seen it somewhere !
So this is definately incorrect then? One shredded wheat from now I guess.
Looking at various advice and recommended max carbs per day I consume an average of 120 . Is this about normal? and do we take into account our exercise quota? Thank you for advising.

... and yes the labels in the UK have already taken off the fibre, so need for that deduction.
As for a max of carbs per day it is again what your body manages to produce enough insulin for. If you do more exercise you will suck out more glucose from your blood stream which all helps, as that will then be asking less of your pancreas. Are you managing to keep in target on 130g of carbs. If not then lower it. If you are you know you have it about right.

 

[silentsquirrel]

I am still amazed that after a lifetime avoiding fried , but keeping to cereals, it seems - after reading all your replies -I have to change. Bacon, sausage have bad fats so I will be trying to correct the prediabetes but going back to chloestrol problems. Some choice!!. I have copied the cereals listed on this site and apart from All bran, ready brek, wholegrain wheatflakes , which are all low, the remainder are all very similar after deducting the fibre from the serving carbs so am considering making my own. I am also finding different sites giving conflicting information which dosn't help.
Is sourdough worth replacing from my seeded breads?

If you are in the USA, fibre (spelt fiber!) needs to be deducted from total carbs to give net carbs. In the UK it is already separately listed, so do not subtract.

 

[trophywench]

It is not now believed that dietary fat affects the serum cholesterol. However of course if a person needs to lose weight then it's not going to be a good idea to eat shedloads of it. High meat content sausages don't contain anywhere near the amount of either fat or cereal (ie carb) as cheapo ordinary sausage. If you dry fry bacon - like you should steak - you get lovely crispy fat but easy to cut it off anyway and fry your egg, some tomatoes and/or mushrooms in the pan residue.

 

[everydayupsanddowns]

Hope you can find a tasty breakfast option that works for you @Marmite

I’ve moved your thread into the ‘food and carbs’ section as it felt more at home here 🙂

You might also like to browse the ‘BG Friendly Breakfast ideas’ thread for some options and hints from other members?

BG Friendly Breakfast Ideas?

I was just thinking, while responding to a new member, about the tricky meal that is breakfast. Most of the ’normal‘ world’s default choices seem to revolve around a hefty whack of carbs... And breakfast is quite often the time of day when insulin resistance is highest, and when the liver may...

forum.diabetes.org.uk

 

[ianf0ster]

Hi Marmite,
You seem to accept that carbs are bad for Type 2 Diabetes, but not that traditional dietary fats are OK - even though they were consumed for thousands of years without apparent harm. Only when a chain smoking US President got a heart attack did somebody first try to blame animal fat for heart disease and push 'vegetable oils' highly processed and bleached seed oils as being safer - later proven false because of 'trans fats'. Note that the alternative hypothesis that was defeated (not disproved) was the one blaming refined sugar and refined carbs. - Look up John Yudkin and his book 'Pure White and Deadly'.

The Cholesterol changes you get from a Low Carb Higher (traditional) Fat 'Way Of Eating' are
1. Higher HDL - widely agreed to be a good thing.
2. Lower triglycerides - lower is widely agreed to be good.
3. Possibility of higher LDL - disagreement as to whether this is bad or good. The only studies done as to which type of LDL is increased shows it is the lighter 'fluffy beneficial (for hormones and immune system) type and not the small dense LDL (glycated or oxidised).

So I would ask:
How sure are you that T2D is bad?
How sure are you that traditional fat is bad ? Time magazine front page over 10 yrs ago said Butter was good for us.

 

[rebrascora]

If it is any consolation, the idea of going against conventional advice regarding fat was difficult for me too, but after doing a bit of internet digging, I was able to accept the idea that the "fat is bad and causes CVD" advice we have been bombarded with all our lives, might easily be based on flawed research.
I am now very much convinced that our low fat diet is contributing to the diabetes and obesity epidemic we are currently witnessing. I know that the more fat I eat, the less hungry I am, whereas the less fat and more carbs I eat the more food I crave. I now comfortably eat just one or two meals a day and don't feel hungry in between. As a result I eat less food in total. My BG levels are much more stable and the fat provides me with slow release energy, rather than the peaks and troughs you get with carbs.
My diet now consists of a high percentage of fat (it may be as high as a whopping 60-70% of my nutritional intake) from dairy, meat, nuts, olives and avocado and interestingly my cholesterol is reducing slightly and the ratios are good.
It is however important to reduce your carb intake quite significantly as well as increasing fat in order to see these benefits.
As an example of how I incorporate that much fat into my diet, I have double cream in my coffee on a morning (I consider this a real indulgence and I thoroughly enjoy it), a 2 egg omelette with veg like mushrooms, courgettes and onion usually with cheese plus a large side salad including creamy cheese coleslaw and avocado for breakfast/brunch. On an evening I have meat like lamb chops or belly pork or high meat content sausages or high fat content minced beef or oily fish like salmon (I always eat the skin) pan fried in butter with sautéed Mediterranean veg and cauliflower cheese or leeks/cabbage/kale sweated in butter or bacon fat, or creamed spinach.
It might not be to everyone's taste but it may give you an idea of how natural fat can be incorporated into the diet and if it makes you more comfortable there is growing scientific thought that blood cholesterol is mostly not related to dietary fats.

Today I had my omelette this morning and apart from a couple of spoons of peanut butter with a square of dark 70% chocolate this evening as a treat, I haven't had anything else all day and don't feel hungry, so haven't had an evening meal. I love the fact that whilst I enjoy my food, my life is not dominated by it anymore and I am not constantly wanting to snack.