Breakfast

[Jotheboat]

Every day I walk 3 miles with the dog starting at 5.00 AM.
3 / 4 morning a week I fast till lunchtime (often boiled eggs).
3 / 4 mornings I'll have a tin of mackerel with seasoning. Yuk to some. Yummy to me.
Never cereals or anything carby.

Anyhow, it got me thinking. WHY do so many people eat so many cereals for breakfast? Big profits aside.
According to the web, Granula was the 'first breakfast cereal' invented by vegetarian James Jackson in 1863. Was that the real start of our metabolic woes?
Before cereal breakfasts we would have eaten much the same as other meals presumably.
Obviously cereal crops and food processing / manufacturing are now huge industries with vested interests geared towards us eating cereal-based food. A dietary juggernaut that is very difficult to slow.

 

[Inka]

I eat cereal because I like it 🙂 I don’t have any metabolic woes. I think any such problems are more down to factors affecting the other meals of the day, eg takeaways, lots of processed snacks, etc, along with less activity.

I like granola, porridge, bran cereals, Weetabix, etc.

 

[bulkbiker]

Look into John Harvey Kellogg and the Seventh Day adventist religion (who interestingly started the "science" of dietetics).
It was all to remove our lusty feelings in the morning.. Strange but true.
Possibly one of the biggest marketing scams of the 19th century...

The Surprising Reason Why Dr. John Harvey Kellogg Invented Corn Flakes

Cereal would create fortunes and create multinational companies that we still know today. But Dr. John Harvey Kellogg, the inventor of corn flakes, did not care about profits. For him, cereal was not just a health food because it would improve Americans digestion. He believed a diet centered on...

www.forbes.com

 

[Jotheboat]

I eat cereal because I like it 🙂 I don’t have any metabolic woes. I think any such problems are more down to factors affecting the other meals of the day, eg takeaways, lots of processed snacks, etc, along with less activity.

I like granola, porridge, bran cereals, Weetabix, etc.

For anyone who is T2, like me, trying to control the condition with lifestyle, all those breakfast carbs would be a definite no no. I have to say though that I too loved the taste of cereal breakfasts!

I certainly agree that all the processed, mass produced stuff is another area of concern.

 

[Deleted member 21371]

Porridge oats goes back centuries.

 

[Inka]

For anyone who is T2, like me, trying to control the condition with lifestyle, all those breakfast carbs would be a definite no no. I have to say though that I too loved the taste of cereal breakfasts!

I certainly agree that all the processed, mass produced stuff is another area of concern.

Yes, if you’re Type 2 you have different considerations 🙂 The dietary advice for Type 1s and Type 2s is rightly different because they’re different conditions, and, of course, most people don’t have diabetes so they eat cereal without having to think.

If you’re missing cereal, there are lower carb ones (eg All Bran) and also keto cereals (to buy or to make your own) which have minimal carbs.

 

[Eddy Edson]

Look into John Harvey Kellogg and the Seventh Day adventist religion (who interestingly started the "science" of dietetics).
It was all to remove our lusty feelings in the morning.. Strange but true.
Possibly one of the biggest marketing scams of the 19th century...

The Surprising Reason Why Dr. John Harvey Kellogg Invented Corn Flakes

Cereal would create fortunes and create multinational companies that we still know today. But Dr. John Harvey Kellogg, the inventor of corn flakes, did not care about profits. For him, cereal was not just a health food because it would improve Americans digestion. He believed a diet centered on...

www.forbes.com

Debunked, more or less: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/kelloggs-corn-flakes-masturbation/

 

[nonethewiser]

Mainly porridge nowadays with dollop of yogurt & berries added, great nutritious breakfast & very filling to.

Not really into sweet cereals, do like weetabix with ice cold milk or shredded wheat with hot milk, mmmmmm delicious.

 

[Jotheboat]

Debunked, more or less: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/kelloggs-corn-flakes-masturbation/

Ha. Didn't know about the 'personal' effects of cornflakes. Not surprise that was debunked!

Perhaps the point is that breakfast cereals are promoted as a healthy way to start the day when in fact they are loaded with sugar. Cornflakes are about 84g carbs per 100g for example, Weetabix also pretty high. There is an explosion of T2 diabetes with many undiagnosed in tandem with (or because of) the fact that people are simply not educated in the potentially harmful aspects of sugary / processed food.

 

[Eddy Edson]

Ha. Didn't know about the 'personal' effects of cornflakes. Not surprise that was debunked!

Perhaps the point is that breakfast cereals are promoted as a healthy way to start the day when in fact they are loaded with sugar. Cornflakes are about 84g carbs per 100g for example, Weetabix also pretty high. There is an explosion of T2 diabetes with many undiagnosed in tandem with (or because of) the fact that people are simply not educated in the potentially harmful aspects of sugary / processed food.

Although it may not see intuitive, mainstream experts would say there is sod-all evidence that carbs and added sugar actually cause T2D, except to the extent that they contribute to eating too many calories and increasing visceral fat. The idea that carbs, added sugar etc => insulin resistance => T2D is a minority, pretty much fringe concept.

 

[bulkbiker]

Debunked, more or less: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/kelloggs-corn-flakes-masturbation/

And yet not so much from your own link..

 

[bulkbiker]

Although it may not see intuitive, mainstream experts would say there is sod-all evidence that carbs and added sugar actually cause T2D, except to the extent that they contribute to eating too many calories and increasing visceral fat. The idea that carbs, added sugar etc => insulin resistance => T2D is a minority, pretty much fringe concept.

So where do you think the visceral fat comes from?
Eating too much fat or de novo lipogenesis?

 

[Jotheboat]

Although it may not see intuitive, mainstream experts would say there is sod-all evidence that carbs and added sugar actually cause T2D, except to the extent that they contribute to eating too many calories and increasing visceral fat. The idea that carbs, added sugar etc => insulin resistance => T2D is a minority, pretty much fringe concept.

OK, accepting your direct progression there is a fringe concept, as far as I can see, excess sugar and highly processed food can both be contributory factors to obesity and quite possibly insulin resistance both of which in turn are contributory factors to T2 diabetes (along with other factors).

I think my point in post 9 above is really that sugar and poor diet are basically bad for us. For me anyway. From what I've seen and read, in addition to other things, excess sugar is bad for the cardio / vascular system, which is where I have one of my frailties. I believe that by eating low carb and healthily I'm both helping my T2 and my circulation.
(There are numerous videos relating to excess sugar on You Tube - all seemingly by slim folk.)

I think that in general people are cajoled / brainwashed into eating poor food and not enough is done to advise against the dangers.

 

[Dragonheart]

most people don’t have diabetes so they eat cereal without having to think.

Or don’t know they have it
or are rapidly heading that way (T2)
or don’t realise the effect cereal has on their blood glucose if it doesn’t taste “sweet”

eta before someone else points it out - obviously “most” people don’t have diabetes, but a lot more fit into one of the above than they realise

 

[Dianusia]

Although it may not see intuitive, mainstream experts would say there is sod-all evidence that carbs and added sugar actually cause T2D, except to the extent that they contribute to eating too many calories and increasing visceral fat. The idea that carbs, added sugar etc => insulin resistance => T2D is a minority, pretty much fringe concept.

And who are these mainstream experts. Where is your source ?

 

[nonethewiser]

I think that in general people are cajoled / brainwashed into eating poor food and not enough is done to advise against the dangers.

Talking rubbish mate, like many people never taken any heed of govn, food marketing, media or anything else for that matter when it comes to what to eat.

 

[Jotheboat]

Talking rubbish mate, like many people never taken any heed of govn, food marketing, media or anything else for that matter when it comes to what to eat.

Talking rubbish from you're point of view perhaps, I'm glad you're healthy.
However, more than a quarter of the UK population is obese and a further 38% (depending on who's figures you look at) are overweight. That includes children. And it's getting worse - gov.uk figures here
Some people consider that a big problem.
You don't see many adverts for spring cabbage on TV.

 

[nonethewiser]

Talking rubbish from you're point of view perhaps, I'm glad you're healthy.
However, more than a quarter of the UK population is obese and a further 38% (depending on who's figures you look at) are overweight. That includes children. And it's getting worse - gov.uk figures here
Some people consider that a big problem.
You don't see many adverts for spring cabbage on TV.

Very surprised figure is only quater of population if breakfast cereal is to blame given most people enjoy a bowl or toast for breakfast, why not everyone?

Come from large family & we were brought up on porridge cornflakes wheetabix shredded wheat for breakfast, on weekends it would be boiled eggs & soldiers or, if lucky fry up, we all continue to eat this way & brought up our own families same way, no obesity in family & no serious health issues apart from myself having type 1.

We often visit heritage museums learning about history of place & workers there in its time, porridge was stable for many workers on morning & bread potatoes were part of evening meals, so these eating habits have been going on for generations before us.

Simple truth is its overconsumption, lack of activity in work & leisure time has contributed to rise in overweight people, look at how work is now less manual, of course there's those who are unfortunately predisposed to put on weight due to ill health, physically & mentally, but those are just few examples of causes & there's many more, so if you think cause of obesity & ill health is singular then you very much mistaken.

 

[Dragonheart]

I’m not sure anyone is blaming JUST cereals least of all the poster you are saying is talking rubbish. He actually said it was poor diet not just cereals (though porridge is probably the least problematic as its a lot less processed without the added sugars).

And why not everyone? As you rightly point out the rest of their day matters too, as does their genetic predisposition to the loaded gun being fired or not.

Cereals however are typical of the overall diet of highly processed, sugar laden, fake oils, chemically altered foods that form a massive part of the uk’s diet. In removing the fats that have been demonised, based on some seriously dodgy evidence, we’ve replace them with a cocktail of harmful alternatives. I’d say your family dodged the bullet at least in part because you ignored the lousy advice we’ve been given for a generation and ate real food

 

[Leadinglights]

But people were doing more physical work, walking rather than driving everywhere, even housework was hard work.
It was common to have cereals for supper as people would have their cooked meal at lunch time and only a light meal for tea and then supper before bed.
I just saw something on the television this morning about a pub that did a lunch club for people with dementia and their carers, I know it was only once a month but the food on offer was, chicken curry with rice, chips and naan followed by doughnuts and cake.